First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[justin2090]

Lets also not forget that the GM's here are volunteers. They don't have ample amounts of time to police the eq world. I think we all forget this cause this server is so good. Having them enforce a set schedule would take time away from their RL and without any monetary compensation. I think it's asking too much.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Single accounts and target specific suspensions need to eventually increase to guildwide raid suspensions. A single person can take one for the team and lose an account and it does not affect anything because of the accounts that most people have stacked up. This isn't a classic issue because back then Jeremy wasn't going to pay for 8 accounts, here he can have as many as he wants and park them wherever he wants. Losing one account is not an effective deterrent, the reward of loot outweighs the risk of losing one person from the zerg. Even losing a single shot at a mob isn't enough. It needs to scale up to losing the mob for month and then to full on guild suspensions.

1.) I have no problem with this. If there's something f*cked up about a whole raid and we cost someone else something intentionally, sure, suspend us from that mob for a week or all mobs if it's bad enough. There's a precedent out there for that, it has happened for various reasons in the past. I think it's up to the GMs to decide where that line in the sand is and make sure everyone is clear on it, but you also can't always punish everyone for one person's behavior.

Last nights Vox was truly accidental and a cockup. We rushed, we lost, then you went in and we stood back and watched. GG.

2.) I appreciate your desire to say Zerg and peg TMO as some big machine. I've been around a long time and we do have a lot of members, but we also do a lot with a few. I've killed numerious VP dragons with 18-20 people, which is far from Zerg. We have a lot of toons and a lot of alts, but yeah, I don't think defamatory verbiage helps the conversation. There's a lot of good people here.

3.) As with previous comments, FRAPs everything and let the GMs do their honest best to help guide and prevent cheaters, sploiters etc. They do their best but can't be everywhere. I can't tell you the number of times I've been FD in a zone and been blamed for trains on Flippie when I haven't even moved. Shit happens and I use FRAPs as a defensive tool more than an offensive tool these days because people always assume the worst.

To the topic of the thread: ultimately, I believe there's a lot of people at the top with no expanding content (at this point) and Velious would help. I also believe that having a random simulated repop on some day every two weeks would be awesome. TMO can't be everywhere at once and you see the most "distribution of wealth" on days when there is a repop. Plus, then there's NO tracking for like 5 days, how f*cking sweet is that?!

Just don't make it every Tuesday, make it a random day so different player bases can experience it and 99% of all the nonsense goes away. (IMHO)

[kotton05]

grats on trak n vs for first time in awhile tmo, jeez must of been really working hard to stir this much sshit over them

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have enough fraps evidence the GMs will punish TMO for training and have done so in the past. The fact that they continue to train means that the punishment they're getting when they get caught probably isn't harsh enough to deter them.

Or that we aren't training

[sanforce]

If rotations were enforced, you would definitely see the larger guilds break into a bunch of small guilds and the line for any mobs would be 30+ in length. Also, where is the competition in signing up for a certain date/time to engage a mob.


What we really need is spinoff servers for the complainers ... "Project 1999: Guild XYZ", where only that guild gets copied over and they can run all over their own version of Norrath to slay them pixels.

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Origin,

As the person who had FTE (Dumper), your force dwindled about 45min before VS spawned and you had less than 12 at that time. FE/IB had ~6 in room, and another maybe 6 over in the safe spot. Granted, you had 20+ most of the evening, but when he popped you didn't have the numbers to engage.

Additionally, I stood and fought taking full damage with no DA idol and buffs. I sat there and was prepared the whole time. You had 3 monks and at least 2 other melee in the room next to me who had just as much time and opportunity.

If you want to go back to having equal opportunity, camp everyone out in the side room and have one tracker sitting there to BP it. We only started bringing two people to fap in the room because he's being socked.

It's escalation and mutually assured destruction and it's happening on all raid targets now so the purely tracking and mobilizing model is no longer effective 90% of the time as it was 2-3 months ago.

I wasn't there personally, but from what i've gathered this sounds about right.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

As a side note, the purpose of this thread was to start a discussion. In my opinion, there is a problem with the FTE mechanic being employed right now. But even more so there is a problem, as many have identified, with the supply/demand of mobs on this server. I've never claimed that my idea for the FTE mechanic was perfect, so yeah, people can argue one way or the other, but lets leave the forumquesting in RnF.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this made me laugh

Sericx facing a 28 day ban ( 3 time offender) was only banned 5 days after the petition forum overflowed w TMO tears ab unfair fraps, he only wiped 6!, or my favorite "why were u guys on the ramp!"

nice thought tho to bad we all kno bans hardly last as long as they are suppose to

i agree with .. gulp... Chest

Actually sericx was unfairly suspended for 5 days. We proved him clear of all charges.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this made me laugh

Sericx facing a 28 day ban ( 3 time offender) was only banned 5 days after the petition forum overflowed w TMO tears ab unfair fraps, he only wiped 6!, or my favorite "why were u guys on the ramp!"

nice thought tho to bad we all kno bans hardly last as long as they are suppose to

i agree with .. gulp... Chest

I don't know who you are. I appreciate your perspective, but the ruling was reversed, TMO was raid suspended from that Inny as well.

Also, afaik, Sericx did get back after a week instead of 28 days, however his "ticker" went up, next time it's 56 days, even though they overturned his suspension.

This is a free service, I don't know how much you donate personally, but GMs do what they can to keep it fair for all and limit their intervention except when people f*ck others up intentionally.

[Erati]

the Sericx thing is done we moved on

i was just using it as an example to support Chest on how little those ban/suspensions mean

a 28 day ban bc hes a repeat offender.. let off after 5 days not even a week for a known trainer who "gasp" was accused of training

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^ that wasnt bias perspective or anything


we had 15-17 people on the ramp enroute to kill Inny in his room

but ty for showing how TMO paints pictures to fit their story

I saw the fraps that were used to suspend Sericx. There was definitely not a raid force at the bottom of the ramp - it was a few people wondering around. A raid force is never present in any set of fraps from that incident.