First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Glenn Beck hasnt been on the air for a while, and I am pretty sure most of us would like to keep it that way. Go argue with hasbinbad or something; your off the wall biased political agenda is really not necessary here. The point of most people on here is exactly to let the people figure it out; the problem is that the people are not figuring it out.

I speak the truth and you know it. Never underestimate greed and especially nerd greed.

[Tanthallas]

Never underestimate greed..but let the people figure it out. Sounds like a winning recipe to me!

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never underestimate greed..but let the people figure it out. Sounds like a winning recipe to me!

this quote = current raid scene

[justin2090]

Basically the grass is always greener on top of the septic tank. If you think its bad now just wait for some GM intervention.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this quote = current raid scene

Which I'm totally fine with. If the kill boards were a little more blue this week, I'm sure they'd be fine with it too.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bans ramp up 7/14/28/.... days at a time.

I know of at least 3-4 people that have suspended on both sides and when this kind of stuff happens. If there is an issue with a whole raid or guild and it's fraps'd the GMs have also raid suspended an entire guild from all/some raid mobs as well.

I mean, back in 2011, I believe it was Perun who was suspended and TR suspended for using ShowEQ? (Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I recall)

None of this is unheard of, if you feel you're wronged or you see people doing something wrong, put your petition in and let the GMs answer your petition. They can't be everywhere at once, but they do their damned hardest to make sure that everyone is on the same playing field.

Single accounts and target specific suspensions need to eventually increase to guildwide raid suspensions. A single person can take one for the team and lose an account and it does not affect anything because of the accounts that most people have stacked up. This isn't a classic issue because back then Jeremy wasn't going to pay for 8 accounts, here he can have as many as he wants and park them wherever he wants. Losing one account is not an effective deterrent, the reward of loot outweighs the risk of losing one person from the zerg. Even losing a single shot at a mob isn't enough. It needs to scale up to losing the mob for month and then to full on guild suspensions.

[justin2090]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's take a look at something like Trak. Leave variance in. You could have a rotation with something like TMO, FE/IB, BDA, Taken, Divinty, FFA. Set stipulations, you must engage in 15 minutes or it turns into FFA. You wipe and it turns into FFA. The casual guilds still aren't guaranteed that kill when Trak spawns at some stupid 4am slot, or when it spawns in the middle of the week on a workday. I don't even know if it's feasible, TMO would probably just split into TMO-A, TMO-B, TMO-C and demand slots. There's going to be drawbacks with any system that could be implemented, just like there's drawbacks now, even the system now could work if people could exhibit some common courtesy.

This may help some but really its the non-batphone people that want to kill a dragon. There would have to be a set time every week for a raid boss to spawn. But then again what would stop X guild from loggin an unguilded alt for training purposes? 15 minutes is up.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Mezzmur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bans ramp up 7/14/28/.... days at a time..

this made me laugh

Sericx facing a 28 day ban ( 3 time offender) was only banned 5 days after the petition forum overflowed w TMO tears ab unfair fraps, he only wiped 6!, or my favorite "why were u guys on the ramp!"

nice thought tho to bad we all kno bans hardly last as long as they are suppose to

i agree with .. gulp... Chest

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this made me laugh

Sericx facing a 28 day ban ( 3 time offender) was only banned 5 days after the petition forum overflowed w TMO tears ab unfair fraps, he only wiped 6!, or my favorite "why wete u guys on the ramp!"

nice thought tho to bad we all kno bans hardly last as long as they are suppose to

i agree with .. gulp... Chest

Are you talking about when Taken had people just hanging out on the ramp (not a raid force, ~3 people) in Hate, Sericx went for a pull, and that dumb cleric (who was standing in the worst choke point in the zone) died? Yeaa.... I don't think that really counts as training and the staff didn't either when they reviewed different sets of fraps. You can't wonder around like a chicken with its head cutoff and expect to get GM rulings in your favor. That cleric had no reason to be chilling on the ramp with a bunch of FD monks setting up for pull attempts.

[Erati]

^ that wasnt bias perspective or anything


we had 15-17 people on the ramp enroute to kill Inny in his room

but ty for showing how TMO paints pictures to fit their story