First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In this type of thread when people don't drink the koolaid the OP is offering, their disagreement = shitting up the thread. It sounds like your pushing for a variation of 15 on spawn. No, just no. Large numbers of people who log in to an area without FTE (or the mob even being up) shouldn't be entitled to anything.

There is nothing more or less 'fair' about having whatever is deemed a sufficient force at the spawn or getting FTE. Things are not the best they could possibly be merely because they happen to be the current status quo.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

DA stalling benefits both sides. Poop socking gives an edge to the side that can tolerate doing it. The side that simply tracks is at a severe disadvantage for obtaining FTE. How is this not completely fair in the current system?

You merely restated how things currently are and attached some notion of fairness to them. While thoroughly impressed with the depth of your ability to state the obvious, once again your claim that it is 'fair' is completely subjective and irrelevant. Just because people have a chance by taking extreme measures does not mean the system is 'completely fair' - it may as well mean the opposite in most cases.

Regardless, fairness is not the issue here; we dont do these things because they are fair, we do them because the state of competition on this server has degenerated to the point of having to do them. 'Fairness' in the current system is simply stretching the rules as far as possible to win. This is the case because we are incapable of engaging eachother like rational fucking adults and setting up some standards between us.

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200 Trak kills.





















200 Trak kills.

[Yapas]

I wish VS window open soon... So I can see the same incredible Clown show :

1st part : While 20 or 30+ FE/IB in room (90% DKP leech AFK) some people dieing cause no one react ! It must be terrible to be killed by a light blue when you're surrounded by 30 guildmates lol

2nd part : Clowns always tried to push people to laugh so they don't hesitate to train themselves and wipe (of course to avoid shame they insta said TMO train ahah)

3rd part : After 96 hours of clowning the impossible thing happen ! they loose FTE cause they are afk as usual !

Thanks for the fun (really) and keep pushing maybe you will be able to beat your 96 hours record [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you have enough fraps evidence the GMs will punish TMO for training and have done so in the past. The fact that they continue to train means that the punishment they're getting when they get caught probably isn't harsh enough to deter them.

If I were in TMO's shoes I'd look at it this way. We showed up late and BDA is engaging soon. If we don't train and engage now we'll lose the mob and get no loot for sure. If we train we have a chance to get FTE and the kill. The gm's won't punish us unless they get fraps evidence from BDA. Even if we get caught, all we'll get is a slap on the wrist so it's worth it to take a chance and train.

The punishments need to ramp up exponentially every time. It's going to take a multi-month all-target raid suspension with the prospect of a year-long ban on the horizon before TMO stops pulling shenanigans like that.

We had crystal clear fraps of Sentenza training us for a ragefire on his monk a while back We got another monthlong slap on the wrist to go with the previous 3 monthlong suspensions. It's ok though he just played a different account. The punishments need to scale as the infractions accumulate, it's the only way to end this type of behavior. Maybe someone from the TMO/FE/IB side of things can shed some light of the number of single character suspensions they've seen in the past 6 months for these types of infractions.

[Yapas]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We had crystal clear fraps of Sentenza training us for a ragefire on his monk a while back We got another monthlong slap on the wrist to go with the previous 3 monthlong suspensions. It's ok though he just played a different account. The punishments need to scale as the infractions accumulate, it's the only way to end this type of behavior. Maybe someone from the TMO/FE/IB side of things can shed some light of the number of single character suspensions they've seen in the past 6 months for these types of infractions.

Just PM your guildmate err I mean GM Ambrotos! He is a big fan of TMO (lol)

[kotton05]

I dunno but I train all the time and get away iit! I know a fe monk got jewed on some retarded inconclusive fraps of a train tho recently.

[justin2090]

IF the GM's enforced a raid mob rotation what would stop guilds from not recruiting? I mean if your guaranteed a raid mob and you could take several hours to get there why would you want to increase your raid force?

"X" guild is guaranteed Trak kills for the next month and they have 20ish active players. Sorry no more apps please raid force is full. Then guess what? Their mains get geared and their 7 alts. Same shit folks.

Government intervention is not the way! Let the people figure it out.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF the GM's enforced a raid mob rotation what would stop guilds from not recruiting? I mean if your guaranteed a raid mob and you could take several hours to get there why would you want to increase your raid force?

"X" guild is guaranteed Trak kills for the next month and they have 20ish active players. Sorry no more apps please raid force is full. Then guess what? Their mains get geared and their 7 alts. Same shit folks.

Government intervention is not the way! Let the people figure it out.

Glenn Beck hasnt been on the air for a while, and I am pretty sure most of us would like to keep it that way. Go argue with hasbinbad or something; your off the wall biased political agenda is really not necessary here. The point of most people on here is exactly to let the people figure it out; the problem is that the people are not figuring it out.

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The punishments need to ramp up exponentially every time. It's going to take a multi-month all-target raid suspension with the prospect of a year-long ban on the horizon before TMO stops pulling shenanigans like that.

Bans ramp up 7/14/28/.... days at a time.

I know of at least 3-4 people that have suspended on both sides and when this kind of stuff happens. If there is an issue with a whole raid or guild and it's fraps'd the GMs have also raid suspended an entire guild from all/some raid mobs as well.

I mean, back in 2011, I believe it was Perun who was suspended and TR suspended for using ShowEQ? (Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I recall)

None of this is unheard of, if you feel you're wronged or you see people doing something wrong, put your petition in and let the GMs answer your petition. They can't be everywhere at once, but they do their damned hardest to make sure that everyone is on the same playing field.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by justin2090 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IF the GM's enforced a raid mob rotation what would stop guilds from not recruiting? I mean if your guaranteed a raid mob and you could take several hours to get there why would you want to increase your raid force?

"X" guild is guaranteed Trak kills for the next month and they have 20ish active players. Sorry no more apps please raid force is full. Then guess what? Their mains get geared and their 7 alts. Same shit folks.

Government intervention is not the way! Let the people figure it out.

Let's take a look at something like Trak. Leave variance in. You could have a rotation with something like TMO, FE/IB, BDA, Taken, Divinty, FFA. Set stipulations, you must engage in 15 minutes or it turns into FFA. You wipe and it turns into FFA. The casual guilds still aren't guaranteed that kill when Trak spawns at some stupid 4am slot, or when it spawns in the middle of the week on a workday. I don't even know if it's feasible, TMO would probably just split into TMO-A, TMO-B, TMO-C and demand slots. There's going to be drawbacks with any system that could be implemented, just like there's drawbacks now, even the system now could work if people could exhibit some common courtesy.