First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Soandso]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not responding... defined

[B]"I'm going to refrain from responding ANY FURTHER" Just saying.

Lol to people who think Velious will change the raid scene because it won't.
Lol to IB people complaining about TMO's monopoly. Wasn't IB in that same position before they ran off to EQmac?

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets try to stay on topic. This is a poopsock thread, not a Cecily thread. We have a few of those in RnF already.

Lol. Very ironic since this actually isn't a poopsock thread. It's a "TMO is exploiting the rules in place, so lets change the rules" thread. It just turned into a poopsock thread about 3 or 4 pages in when the OP had the brilliant idea to change the ruleset to benefit poopsockers.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Droog007 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, TMO ... did you stall or not stall? You can talk about how organized and awesome you are for pages and pages, but the fact remains you tagged a mob with a force that could only survive, not win.

One could argue that the other force there was not too concerned with getting FTE if everyone was playing by the rules...

We seemed to have won? You clueless?

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would change it in the sense that one semi-lucky, non-AFK person wouldn't determine the outcome of the entire battle. One person wouldn't be able to stall for nearly 60 seconds while another guild is ready to actually engage and kill the mob in question.

Hmmm, so with your rule change ideas, couldn't raid guilds just have a bunch of low level bards in game, afk, playing group songs to ensure they get on the agro list?

Group 1: warrior (tracking), bard (afk), bard (afk), bard (afk), bard (afk), bard (afk)
Group 2: cleric (tracking), bard (afk), bard (afk), bard (afk), bard (afk), bard (afk)

That's 12 people on the agro list as long as the cleric and warrior engage, then they can just evasive / DA stall like normal while their raid force logs in.

[Splorf22]

Reading the type of discussion in this thread should convince any sane person that the raid scene here sucks.

[sanforce]

It seems to work well enough. And if someone can't compete, they can always farm enough plat to buy their prized pixels from successful raid guilds.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. Very ironic since this actually isn't a poopsock thread. It's a "TMO is exploiting the rules in place, so lets change the rules" thread. It just turned into a poopsock thread about 3 or 4 pages in when the OP had the brilliant idea to change the ruleset to benefit poopsockers.

Define 'exploit'?

[Reguiy]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Define 'exploit'?

Before OP edited his original post, the term exploit was used to describe aggroing a raid mob without a raid force present, and stalling until said force is present.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems to work well enough.

I think you missed my point. The rules being discussed in this thread are silly because the mobs are so easy that the only challenge is getting there first. The real solution to this thread is to make the encounters more challenging so that this FTE nonsense becomes less important.

Originally Posted by sanforce

And if someone can't compete, they can always farm enough plat to buy their prized pixels from successful raid guilds.

I get the feeling you intended this to be some sort of rhetorical shiv, and yet I can only say I'm happy that I've managed to pick up some shiny pixels without spending hundreds of hours watching the track screen or the back of Venril Sathir's cave. If that's your idea of fun more power to you, but it's not mine.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before OP edited his original post, the term exploit was used to describe aggroing a raid mob without a raid force present, and stalling until said force is present.

This would indeed be an exploit if someone stalled a mob with another force in zone.