First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

These are the kinds of things we want to encourage here, not planting 50 people at trak spawn and having me turn you all into boats.

There are still 50 people sitting around trak spawn, they're just on char select instead of ingame. People still have to be constantly close to their keyboards to make it online in under a minute. Also failing to see any particular skill in "we recruited enough people to ensure we get a sufficient trak killforce online in minus 60seconds". All this rly does is encourage/necessate zerging.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Brut [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are still 50 people sitting around trak spawn, they're just on char select instead of ingame. People still have to be constantly close to their keyboards to make it online in under a minute. Also failing to see any particular skill in "we recruited enough people to ensure we get a sufficient trak killforce online in minus 60seconds". All this rly does is encourage/necessate zerging.

So.. I'm not really sure how origins suggestion in this thread would change that, if that's what you believe to be true?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean who? Just someone who has been nothing but nice to cecily but is sick of watching her spout off about the raid scene that she has been a zero factor in. Plus, Cecily knows who I am.

I wonder how long I'll have to be guilded with TMO before I'm entitled to an opinion. I've been a core rogue for every guild I've been with, including the far superior incarnation of your current one. I've been a top dps on nearly every raid I've attended over the past 18 months, you know, a raid here and there with BDA/FE/TMO and VD if you wanna count them. That's at least.. 20 raids or so. I'm an experienced raider, and I know what I'm talking about, so shut up Gilren.

[Soandso]

Lol at people complaining about TMO's monopoly and wanting raid zones to be pvp. So you want to PVP against the largest and and best geared guild instead of trying to outmobilize them? Gl with that.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder how long I'll have to be guilded with TMO before I'm entitled to an opinion. I've been a core rogue for every guild I've been with, including the far superior incarnation of your current one. I've been a top dps on nearly every raid I've attended over the past 18 months, you know, a raid here and there with BDA/FE/TMO and VD if you wanna count them. That's at least.. 20 raids or so. I'm experienced raider, and I know what I'm talking about, so shut up Gilren.

Gileren?

Also, Cec havent you been in TMO as long or longer than you were in FE at this point?

[Cecily]

I sure have been.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Soandso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol at people complaining about TMO's monopoly and wanting raid zones to be pvp. So you want to PVP against the largest and and best geared guild instead of trying to outmobilize them? Gl with that.

Oh they would lose, but it would be much more fun watching...

[Origin]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This specific idea is likely not going to happen. Here's the problem. If I need 12 people to engage VS, it means I need to stick 12 people on VS' spawn point in order to catch FTE when he pops. If he's in window, that means potentially having 12+ people in my guild sitting on his spawn point for 96+ hrs so I can catch FTE, when I could easily stick 2 trackers there instead and have my raid force there in about a minute. Organization and mobilization trumps poopsocking. It takes more skill, coordination, and effort than simply planting 20 people on a spawn and spamming a /target venril autoattack macro. Do less with more and stop the poopsocking! We all know how much I love VS poopsocks, but I worry about everyones health [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]



Their game isn't numbers, its mobilization. Period. While it does help to have a bunch of geared alts to camp out near spawns, the bottom line is if you don't have the organization to get those numbers onto the mob, you aren't going to get it. This not only encourages competition but also discourages people from poopsocking.

Let's use Trak as an example. The other day fe/ib got a Trak engage with just a few people in the zone. You guys were able to get your raid force in and down trak in about ~2minutes. This took skill, organization, mobilization, and was a good kill. These are the kinds of things we want to encourage here, not planting 50 people at trak spawn and having me turn you all into boats.

Intentionally stalling a mob will always be against the rules. If you see it happening, fraps and petition. Something I don't want happening is people making calls once another guild has FTE to tag the target from another guild and snatch the loots. Leave it to the staff to make that call.

I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I agree with you to a certain degree, but i think it's a bit more complicated than simply saying "it's their mobilization". Mobilization in the sense that you're talking about is us both rushing for Talendor or any other outdoor dragon.

You've seen them mobilize for VS. One person engages and stalls, and 40 log on from 10 feet away from just outside of the room -- within 1 minute. There's no port ins, no rushing from one location to another in order to "mobilize". When VS is dead, they move their force to another target, log, or play alts. In the meantime, it's a matter of who wasn't AFK and who was spamming their VSattack macro harder? That's skill? C'mon...

Either way, TMO has the current rules completely dominated. Stop the monopoly and promote competition.

[Brut]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So.. I'm not really sure how origins suggestion in this thread would change that, if that's what you believe to be true?

Wasn't talking about OP, just saying that it's kinda silly to claim that one type of poopsock is somehow more skillful than the other.

If have to talk about Origins thing, honestly don't think it matters either way. The raidscene is/has always been full of frothing idiocy and ultimately any changes the staff tries to improve it with will be quickly distorted into something even more retarded.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I agree with you to a certain degree, but i think it's a bit more complicated than simply saying "it's their mobilization". Mobilization in the sense that you're talking about is us both rushing for Talendor or any other outdoor dragon.

You've seen them mobilize for VS. One person engages and stalls, and 40 log on from 10 feet away from just outside of the room -- within 1 minute. There's no port ins, no rushing from one location to another in order to "mobilize". When VS is dead, they move their force to another target, log, or play alts. In the meantime, it's a matter of who wasn't AFK and who was spamming their VSattack macro harder? That's skill? C'mon...

Either way, TMO has the current rules completely dominated. Stop the monopoly and promote competition.

When 2 people get FTE over 12..... its not the rules that are getting dominated(FTE) its your ability. Get better! Or have your poopers be less afk