First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[Ecguy]

The problem will persist due to basic economics: static supply vs more demand than live ever had to deal with or even contemplate.

If supply doesn't increase to meet demand, friction will persist and people will continue to pay an absurdly high price (poopsocking for days). Any real solution wouldn't be classic, but p99 is hardly a server with classic characteristics anyway.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Ecguy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem will persist due to basic economics: static supply vs more demand than live ever had to deal with or even contemplate.

If supply doesn't increase to meet demand, friction will persist and people will continue to pay an absurdly high price (poopsocking for days). Any real solution wouldn't be classic, but p99 is hardly a server with classic characteristics anyway.

But we don't have a compass or target rings. How much more classic can you get?!

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Reguiy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From what I've gathered, all this controversy has to do with 2 TMO beating 10 FE/IB on FTE for VS, and then stalling until the rest of their force showed up. You have 2 people in your guild, what's to prevent you from doing the same thing?

Not once but twice now in the last month. Quality > quantity for fte.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't want to do the same thing. I want to stop it from happening, because the mechanic is flawed and is being exploited.

Here's an example for you:

Team A has 20 people sitting at VS while Team B has 2;
VS spawns, and Team B (for whatever reason) FTEs;
Team A has a force that can engage and kill VS, Team B doesn't;
Team B batphones and within 60 seconds DOES have a force that can kill VS;
Team A is unable to do shit because 2 people were able to FTE and stall for 1 minute.

Does that shit seem fair to you? Similar shit happened with the last Talendor. TMO ended up getting the last FTE before kill, but took 7+ minutes to kite him while more of their members logged on. He was sniped by a force that was ready to engage immediately.

Team A afks 19 people in vs room and has one person killing spawns for xp.
Team B has a dedicated 2 man team competing for a raid mob, wins.

You come here to whine about losing "the game" and want the rules changed to your benefit.

Why do you think afk should be rewarded?

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've been raiding this server for about 2-3 weeks. Winter isn't coming. Get used to failing with that crew.

At least his biggest accomplishment on this server isn't ditching their guild to join the #1 guild for loot, like some people I know. Oh, and winning a PvP event at 8am on a tuesday that 90% of the server wasn't online for. Keep acting cocky about the fact that you are 100% irrelevant to the success TMO has enjoyed though.

[Droog007]

We're all masochists and the true currency in EQ is suffering. 2 people engaging a raid mob and stalling while their batphone is answered alleviates far too much suffering. Therefore, in this case TMO has robbed the system and should not be rewarded.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At least his biggest accomplishment on this server isn't ditching their guild to join the #1 guild for loot, like some people I know. Oh, and winning a PvP event at 8am on a tuesday that 90% of the server wasn't online for. Keep acting cocky about the fact that you are 100% irrelevant to the success TMO has enjoyed though.

How are you if you are so relevant?

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here's my proposal for each mob and for the number of necessary people:

Lord Nagafen 6
Lady Vox 6
Dracoliche 6
Innoruuk 12
Cazic Thule 12
Venril Sathir 12
Faydedar 12
Severilous 12
Talendor 12
Gorenaire 12
Trakanon 12
Silverwing 18
Hoshkar 18
Druushk 18
Nexona 18
Phara Dar 18
Xygoz 18

Stop the stalling and kiting.

This specific idea is likely not going to happen. Here's the problem. If I need 12 people to engage VS, it means I need to stick 12 people on VS' spawn point in order to catch FTE when he pops. If he's in window, that means potentially having 12+ people in my guild sitting on his spawn point for 96+ hrs so I can catch FTE, when I could easily stick 2 trackers there instead and have my raid force there in about a minute. Organization and mobilization trumps poopsocking. It takes more skill, coordination, and effort than simply planting 20 people on a spawn and spamming a /target venril autoattack macro. Do less with more and stop the poopsocking! We all know how much I love VS poopsocks, but I worry about everyones health [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Origin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People talk about this, but honestly, when was the last time ANY of the listed mobs was killed with less than the number i listed? In fact, i'd be willing to bet that the thresholds listed were never broken on this server, by anybody. Not because people can't do it, but because of the competition and the fact that guilds can't exclude people from kills.

It's fine that people keep suggesting that they have skill and that they can do less with more. But you won't be able to beat the top guilds unless you play their game, and their game is numbers.

Also, if you find any of the said mobs up and you want to try them without the "required minimum", you can still do it. You just won't get an FTE shout.

Their game isn't numbers, its mobilization. Period. While it does help to have a bunch of geared alts to camp out near spawns, the bottom line is if you don't have the organization to get those numbers onto the mob, you aren't going to get it. This not only encourages competition but also discourages people from poopsocking.

Let's use Trak as an example. The other day fe/ib got a Trak engage with just a few people in the zone. You guys were able to get your raid force in and down trak in about ~2minutes. This took skill, organization, mobilization, and was a good kill. These are the kinds of things we want to encourage here, not planting 50 people at trak spawn and having me turn you all into boats.

Intentionally stalling a mob will always be against the rules. If you see it happening, fraps and petition. Something I don't want happening is people making calls once another guild has FTE to tag the target from another guild and snatch the loots. Leave it to the staff to make that call.

[cs616]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How are you if you are so relevant?

You mean who? Just someone who has been nothing but nice to cecily but is sick of watching her spout off about the raid scene that she has been a zero factor in. Plus, Cecily knows who I am.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You mean who? Just someone who has been nothing but nice to cecily but is sick of watching her spout off about the raid scene that she has been a zero factor in. Plus, Cecily knows who I am.

Hoo r u?