Best one sentence summation of how I feel, ever.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Rellapse35 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We all come from black people.

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[Gaffin']

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[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by finalgrunt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They do not. They have a common ancestor, and they branched at one point. For the same reason we can't say that Man descends from monkeys. We shared a common ancestor, branched over a very long period of time and evolved seperatly.

So the questions which remain to solve are:

- Do all species descend from the same unicellular ancestor? If so did other different kinds exist but did not survive our ancestor? How many times did life start and vanished before it stuck to the Earth?
- How such material were formed? This is still an ongoing research field, even though we're starting to have a better picture.

For the same reason people were unable (and in some cases still are) unable to explain how we can grow from a single cell with so much differentiation, it will take time to understand the mechanisms. And unlike living cells that we can study at will, we don't have any material to study for our origins. DNA don't survive well through time, and that's the reason why we may see one day Mammoths again, but dinosaurs not so much (until we can actually write DNA code and simulate its output, and then we can build something matching our imagination, which may come close but never will be the reality).

They do. The grey wolf is the common ancestor from which all dogs descend. The difference is that wolves are still around, and haven't changed all that much since. The proper analogy for the evolutionary timeline is monkeys are man's 'cousins' while wolves are dogs' 'parents'.

We can actually write DNA code and simulate its output. It's one of the defining technologies of this century, but it's hardly new. Costs are relatively high, ~0.35 dollars per base, meaning you can synthesize your typical gene for ~$300-500 bucks.

http://www.jcvi.org/cms/press/press-...te-researcher/

In 2010, Venter and his team synthesized a small (>1mil bases) bacterial genome. They could write in whichever code they wanted, but to ensure it was viable they stuck with something mostly natural. They did sign their names in and left a message, but otherwise it was the natural organism's genome built chemically in a lab. They then removed the DNA from a similar but different organism, and stuck their synthetic DNA inside the empty cell. The remaining cellular machinery began to read the genome, and this is now a stable cell line.

Now the key is to better understand what to write and to advance each stage of this technology to build larger genomes and to get them inside cells.

[Illuzionz]

You do realize they copied verbatim the code of an already existing bacterium, right? All they did was add in "water marks" in apparently non-essential areas of the code.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So something had to have eventually become what we now know as a wolf. That's what this "go from one species to another" thing is. If no wolves existed at one point, how the fuck can you go from something that isn't a wolf to something that is, without one species becoming another entirely? Either wolves have always existed or you're telling me that something that wasn't a wolf eventually became one. What the fuck was it, before it became a wolf, and what was that before it became what it is that eventually became a wolf.

Speciation can occur when a mutant from one population is allowed to fill another ecological niche. This is what Darwin observed in finches in the Galapogos islands. Well, sometimes the preceding species dies off. This wasn't the case with wolves and dogs. The ancestors of dogs were likely wolves genetically predisposed to reliance on humans. They snuck in and stole scraps of food, etc. Still scared of us, but not as scared and not as aggressive. Eventually such an intermediate species was domesticated. The natural grey wolf still retained its ecological niche and still lives on today.

Most of the organisms that have ever lived are extinct. The vast biodiversity present today is but a tiny snapshot of what has been and what will be.

[DrKvothe]

Yes, it's a mostly natural code. But they wrote it. They just weren't sure what they could write that would be biologically competent. Cells are incredibly complicated and it caan be very difficult to predict the cellular consequences. Now that they accomplished this major scientific milestone, the synthesis of an entire genome and the creation of a lifeform from this genome, they're hard at work to make more interesting, synthetic organisms.

There first goal seems to be genome reduction, creating the 'minimal cell'. They hope to provide a better workhorse microbe for bioengineering that's stripped of nonessential cellular function. I'm sure once they accomplish this miraculous feat, you'll just scoff and say "so what, that thing's way more simple than a 'real' cell!" which is exactly what they're going for.

[pharmakos]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Um molecular biology proves evolution to be impossible even according to Darwin himself.

hahahahahahahaha you guys are getting trolled so hard

[Illuzionz]

Um no. Darwin said that if cells were proven to be extremely complex and not just simple constructions as was assumed, that his theory was assuredly false. But ok dude. Keep laughing but the joke is on you.

[Illuzionz]

There are far to many symbiotic relationships in nature for evolution to be possible. The best example of which is bee's. Many plants could not exist or survive without the existence of bee's and bee's could not exist or survive without the existence of these plants. It is impossible either could have evolved into what it is without the other life form present. This means both of these things had to come into existence at the same location at virtually the same time, simultaneously.

[pharmakos]

if you're being serious

then you are really cherry picking stuff to support your argument

Darwin did NOT think evolution was impossible. he conceded that it might not be true, but he did not think it was impossible. why the fuck would he write The Origin of Species if he thought evolution was impossible?

so many people on both sides of this thread stating possibilities as fact.

truth is -- no one knows for sure. and likely we never will know for sure.