Best one sentence summation of how I feel, ever.

[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by pharmakos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i know you're just trolling, but

-- ever heard of a Mule?

or any of the thousands of hybrid plant species out there?

Hoeycrisp Apples are a new species, invented by man.

A mule is the offspring of two nearly identical animals. If that is your evidence, why can't mule's reproduce? Bang, shot your retarded theory down. Some evolution that is. Produces an animal that can't even reproduce. Does that even make any sense? You would think with evolution being true that any offspring would be able to reproduce np but hybrids cannot.

[Illuzionz]

It's also hilarious because right after that post you go on about mutations, heredity and survival of the fittest. How can any of that be true if hybrid species can't even pass on their heredity and therefor can't survive?

I know you're just trolling but still, at least try. God damn.

[Illuzionz]

How can it be a mutation if at least one of the parents has it? I also never said adaptation never occurred only that one species cannot become another entirely. There is a difference between adaptation and evolution. Organisms can adapt but they cannot evolve into something they aren't already.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please show me an experiment which proves that one species can become another entirely. I mean you claim mutations. Ok great, show me something mutating from one thing into another entirely and keeping that mutated form through reproduction. Should be easy right? I mean it happens all of the time obviously since there's billions of different species. With so many different species you would think that it would be as easy as baking a cake.

Took 2 months in the lab to evolve a multicellular organism from a single cell organism.
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/5/1595

Life has attempted to minimize mutation rate through accurate DNA replication and DNA repair mechanisms, but accurately copying 3 billion bases at the required rate (once per cell division) is quite difficult. Human beings mutate at a rate of ~1.1 x10^-8 mutations per base per generation. Most of these mutations occur in noncoding regions which are more easily tolerated.

Mutation is mostly neutral and occasionally deleterious to the individual. Rarely, however, mutations provide an adaptive advantage, and this benefits the population as a whole as environment and selective pressures change.

[Illuzionz]

Originally Posted by Littlegyno 9.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying there's some arbitrary line that can't be crossed? A species can't 'adapt' to it's environment, over and over, until they're clearly distinguishable from their ancestor species?

It's a pretty ridiculous assumption if you think about it. You have a very flawed and ignorant view of evolution, just like 99.99% of people do.

btw you're as dumb as a bag of dead baby ******s. wouldn't be a littlegyno post without a lil racism u dig

Adaptations are minor environmental alterations. What does the changing of hemoglobin even do? Will it change the appearance at all? Nope. Still gonna look exactly the same as ancestors from thousands of years ago. You can't go from an amoeba to a frog. Also, at one point no life even existed so where did everything adapt from if there was no life at all to even adapt in the first place?

The first of every living kind had to be created by God. This is backed by scientific facts. Again, I know you just like to pretend you know about science but please look into cell theory and the law of biogenesis. If cells can only come from pre-existing cells and at one point there were no cells, where did the first ones come from?

[DrKvothe]

"Organisms can adapt but they cannot evolve into something they aren't already."

Are dogs the same species as wolves? Is corn the same species as the maize we domesticated it from? They can't interbreed, and they're phenotypically distinct.

Old species --> selection --> New species. Proof, undisputed by scientists.

Even with humans hand-picking the 'winners', essentially providing the strongest selection pressure possible, these changes took hundreds of years to yield clearly distinct species and thousands to yield the incredible distinctions seen today. Asking us to show you a microorganism evolving into a bird overnight just plainly shows how close-minded you are to this subject.

50 years from now, Christians will just claim that while all life may have evolved from single celled organisms, God must have created the initial cell. 100 years from now they'll admit that single celled organisms could arise from a molecular self-replicator, but they'll deny that the first of such self-replicators could arise without the hand of God. After we demonstrate that, they'll claim that the individual molecular components of the first self-replicator could not have been chirally enriched without God's intervention. And so on and so forth until they're driven back to the big bang. They'll claim God initiated the universe and set everything in motion so that billions of years later we'd be here to worship him.

I'm suggesting that religion's battle with science will lead them from denying modern biology to denying modern chemistry to denying modern physics.

[Illuzionz]

50 years from now, Christians will just claim that while all life may have evolved from single celled organisms, God must have created the initial cell. 100 years from now they'll admit that single celled organisms could arise from a molecular self-replicator, but they'll deny that the first of such self-replicators could arise without the hand of God. After we demonstrate that, they'll claim that the individual molecular components of the first self-replicator could not have been chirally enriched without God's intervention. And so on and so forth until they're driven back to the big bang. They'll claim God initiated the universe and set everything in motion so that billions of years later we'd be here to worship him.

Scientists have been trying to prove abiogenesis for quite some time now. However they will never show that molecular self-replicators exist because there is no such thing. Only a cell is considered alive and cells can only come from pre-existing cells. It's already been proven that you are wrong you just don't want to admit it like a typical atheist who is to stubborn to see the truth.

Asking us to show you a microorganism evolving into a bird overnight just plainly shows how close-minded you are to this subject.

I didn't say it had to be overnight. The problem is it wouldn't happen no matter how much time was given to it. We already know for a fact that it could never happen no matter what thanks to the law of biogenesis which states that all life can only produce after it's own kind. Spiders will always be spiders, dogs will always be dogs and cat's will always be cats.

Are dogs the same species as wolves?

Wolves are not dogs. It's the same thing as a lion and a tiger. Very similar animals. Not the same animal. One did not come from the other. Unless of course you're telling me a that a Chihuahua evolved from wolves? Rofl.

[pharmakos]

such a dedicated troll

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Scientists have been trying to prove abiogenesis for quite some time now. However they will never show that molecular self-replicators exist because there is no such thing. Only a cell is considered alive and cells can only come from pre-existing cells. It's already been proven that you are wrong you just don't want to admit it like a typical atheist who is to stubborn to see the truth.

I didn't say it had to be overnight. The problem is it wouldn't happen no matter how much time was given to it. We already know for a fact that it could never happen no matter what thanks to the law of biogenesis which states that all life can only produce after it's own kind. Spiders will always be spiders, dogs will always be dogs and cat's will always be cats.

Wolves are not dogs. It's the same thing as a lion and a tiger. Very similar animals. Not the same animal. One did not come from the other. Unless of course you're telling me a that a Chihuahua evolved from wolves? Rofl.

Self-replicating molecules were made obsolete billions of years ago by the very lifeforms they led to. Significant progress has been made in engineering such molecules, despite having no direct information on how they functioned in nature.

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/sh...her-rna-e.html

We'll get there eventually. No credible scientists deny it is possible.

The law of biogenesis was relevant when we first began to understand the concept of the cell. It was developed by Louis Pasteur in 1865. It was hypothesized before we had the slightest understanding of molecular biology or understood any molecular basis for evolution.

Yes, I am telling you that Chihuahua evolved from wolves. Scientific fact, look it up.

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol? That's exactly how evolution is claimed to work.

No it's not, and this is why you don't understand it at all.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We evolved from single celled organisms apparently but there is no evidence this can even occur.

Genetics? The fossil record? Geology? Heredity? Mutation? Natural selection? None of those are things?

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comparing gravity to evolution is about as retarded as one can get. Gravity is a constantly observable, testable force. Gravity can be proven 24/7/365.

Really? You can tell me what inherently causes gravity and replicate it artificially in laboratory conditions? Can you post a pic of your nobel prize for that please?

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Evolution though? Nope. Just gotta take their word for it that after billions of years,

It's a hair more complicated than that, keep burping out the same rhetoric though.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

an amoeba will turn into a frog.

Nobody in the world claims that "An amoeba will turn into a frog.".

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody can see it,

It happens all of the time, you just refuse to see what's in front of you.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nobody can test it.

Actually they have.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not only that but according to already established scientific facts, this isn't even possible. See cell theory and law of biogenesis.

Actually the law of biogenesis was created to disprove spontaneous generation of life forms such as maggots, frogs, etc. It says nothing about the origin of life. Please stop twisting the definitions of terms.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to cell theory, cells can only come from pre-existing cells. This is established scientific fact.

Funny, evolution is the more widely considered to be a fact in the scientific community. Regardless, modern cell theory works in tandem with evolution anyway so again you bring up something useless to attempt to support your 'argument'.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Inanimate matter is incapable of turning itself into a cell no matter how long you give it. Even 100 trillion years would not be enough time to make something impossible occur.

You act like there's some proposed driving force in the universe that wants to create life... there is not.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the Earth being 6,000 years old. Someone should read the Bible because it never once mentions the age of the Earth. But of course all atheists are good at is assuming shit they have no clue whatsoever about.

How old do you believe the earth is?

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Um mutation's are bad.

Sometimes.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mutations are known as birth defects.

In Haiti perhaps.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The DNA also has mechanisms for preventing the passing on of mutations.

It does not.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda shits on your whole ridiculous theory.

This stuff you just made up? No it doesn't.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, heredity from what before any life existed?

Where did he suggest that?

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

At one point there was a bunch of rocks and water and not much else. So please tell me where this heredity came from.

Lost ya there. You're kinda rambling at this point.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's also consider that abiogenesis cannot occur thanks to what we know about cell theory.

oh, hi Root/Daldolma

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please show me an experiment which proves that one species can become another entirely.

For the umpteenth time, that's now how evolution works or what it's about.

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean you claim mutations. Ok great, show me something mutating from one thing into another entirely and keeping that mutated form through reproduction.

Ever hear of hairless cats? Ligers? Toy poodles?

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should be easy right?

Ever eat an apple?

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean it happens all of the time obviously since there's billions of different species.

Actually it's the other way around...

Originally Posted by Illuzionz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With so many different species you would think that it would be as easy as baking a cake.

What does that have to do with anything?