Rules Lawyers

[Estu]

Two level 60s clearing everything in Crushbone? Just train them!

[crkhobbit]

This happens sometimes in Kurn's for some reason. I've seen two different guilds bring in a group or two of midlevels and clear the whole damn zone looking for burynai hide armor.

It blows my mind that a group of 30-40s find it worth their time to steal mobs from low levels so they can twink with shitty armor. Luckily the never stay long.

[abazaba]

Can anyone shed some light on Chief / BG camp in Droga? I've seen some claim it as a single camp as long as you keep spwns locked down. Others say it is two camps, forcing you to choose one.

People usually tell me it is a grey area when it comes to this camp. I'm stumped :/

[Atmas]

I would call Chief and BGs one camp.

To the OP: I have a bit of disdain for the use of the term rule lawyering. It seems like every one will always be able to make a derogatory term for someone doing something they don't like. If someone trained you and you complained it was against the rules you would be rule lawyering but I doubt your acceptance of the term in that situation.

Anyway, mixed feelings about your Guk example. Primarily because on several occasions I have walked into Guk called a CC and had one person claim half they were doing half the camps, which in addition to being against the server rules is just ridiculous. I made my way to one of the camps and found it completely spawned. I've also seen people call claim to camps that they want and plan to head to but are no where near. Incidents like that make it somewhat infuriating when someone calls a camp and isn't there. However, you only called one camp so unless I showed up at the camp and found it spawned I would probably be fine, even though you should stay at the camp you are claiming.

The two lvl 60s in CB is just dumb. Even if they were powerleveling someone there are of ton of better places to go that aren't occupied by level appropriate groups trying to xp.

[amishriot]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would call Chief and BGs one camp.

To the OP: I have a bit of disdain for the use of the term rule lawyering. It seems like every one will always be able to make a derogatory term for someone doing something they don't like. If someone trained you and you complained it was against the rules you would be rule lawyering but I doubt your acceptance of the term in that situation.

Anyway, mixed feelings about your Guk example. Primarily because on several occasions I have walked into Guk called a CC and had one person claim half they were doing half the camps, which in addition to being against the server rules is just ridiculous. I made my way to one of the camps and found it completely spawned. I've also seen people call claim to camps that they want and plan to head to but are no where near. Incidents like that make it somewhat infuriating when someone calls a camp and isn't there. However, you only called one camp so unless I showed up at the camp and found it spawned I would probably be fine, even though you should stay at the camp you are claiming.

The two lvl 60s in CB is just dumb. Even if they were powerleveling someone there are of ton of better places to go that aren't occupied by level appropriate groups trying to xp.

I don't think anyone should be forced to stay in one room to be able to claim a camp when the zone is virtually empty. I had been in there for a couple hours by myself except for the one guy soloing at the zoneline. Its absurd to think that leaving the ass/sup room to kill a mob that nobody wanted should be a problem. He was only using that as an excuse. I even said I would stop killing to ritualist if he wanted it but he said he didn't.

I agree its dumb when people try to claim 5 camps when others want them but if they are only claiming 1 and killing it easily it shouldn't matter if you are in that room or not. Sometimes its safer to more convenient to sit somewhere else.

As for the training example. I would never quote the rules because someone trained me. I might go off on them or petition if I had reason to believe it was done intentional but its got nothing to do with the rules and everything to do with it just being a dick move. If someone is jerk enough to intentionally train someone I doubt there being a rule against is going to stop them.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by amishriot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm curious how other people feel about the rules lawyers out there. You know the people who throw the rule book at you anytime it benefits them while they do something shady.

First example
I was in Lguk the other day, it was me and 1 other person (soloing at the zone line) in the whole zone. I was camping the ass/sup room but also killing the ritualist. Someone came in and did a champ check. I called ass/sup but not the ritualist. a min later while i was killing the ritualist he send me a tell to ask where i am. I tell him in in front of ritualist. He goes on to start quoting server rules to me about how I can't claim 2 camps, I had to pick one. I said I wasn't claiming 2 and he was free to take the ritualist, I was only claiming ass/sup. This wasn't good enough for him though because i wasn't currently in the ass/sup spawn room, even though it was cleared. So I moved there because he started quoting rules about claiming camps and that I had to be in the room. There was so many other camps he could have taken. Mine was the only one claimed in the entire place but clearly he came for that one and was going to try and rules lawyer me out of it.

Second example
I've been playing an alt in crushbone with my brother who is new to the server and every night we see the same 2 lev 60s come into the zone and slaughter everything in it. Literally everything, they run around pulling everything they can find and then AOE it all. When I complained they said the zone was empty. Well it wasn't, there was at least 5 people there trying to find mobs unsuccessfully. They said I could have a camp but I had to tell them which one it was I wanted. I was level 10 at the time and realistically i wanted to to was roam around looking for anything that coned blue to me. Because it was low pop there was more than enough to go around but there wasn't a specific camp that would have been as good as moving around. None of that really matters though because lev 60s shouldn't be killign everything in the zone unless its actually empty. I realize the rule book doesn't stop them from doing this. I have no problem with them coming in to farm an item but to kill everything in the zone leaving us nothing is crap. The people of appropriate level shouldn't have to come in and ask for permission to get a mob of some level 60s that are there every night. Today they were in there again and when they did a CC my group called the castle. We had just got there recently and didn't have a full group yet so we were slowly pulling it. They decided that because most of the TR was up and we were not inside that we had no claim on it so they moved in and took it over.

Petitioning things like this is petty and i doubt the GMs would bother to do anything about it especially since the rules actually allow them to do this kind of thing. Just because something is ok by the rules doesn't mean you should do it. If training people became legal tomorrow I wouldn't do it simply because its a dick move.

I just dont understand people like this at all. There is no excuse for being a selfish prick just because the rules allow you to be so.

90% of the time in my experience if Im camping something and someone comes in and want the camp they send me a tell and say " hey bud can i get on the list for the camp when you are done?". But i generally just sit at my camp. If I want to try and hold down more than one I make damn sure there is no one else in the zone that wants my primary camp, if there is I dont leave it. And if someone comes in and shouts CC i book it back to my primary. I get what you are saying op and I sympathize but you will feel less stress if you play within those rules so that no one can lawyer you out of your camps. As to the 60s in CB that sounds kinda like a dick move. They were probably farming belts/pads or faction though.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by amishriot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no excuse for being a selfish prick

Says the guy who was trying to hold multiple camps even though someone else wanted a piece of the action.

[Langrisserx]

the crushbone incident is zone disruption so yes petition it

[Stinkum]

The same thing happened to me in LGuk once. Zone was completely empty, and I was killing ass/sup in my downtime. Some guy enters the zone and immediate calls "CC," I call my both and he immediately rule-lawyers me into claiming one camp. Fair enough. Later on, I discover the same guy was running around killing 5 different camps the whole time, including ass/sup, shortly after trying to bully me to retreat to my camp. The only reason he called CC was so he could try to intimidate me to one camp while he ran around killing everything else.

Red server may be filled with sociopaths and griefers, but Blue is filled with the most selfish, rule-lawyering faggots in online gaming.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but Blue is filled with the most selfish, rule-lawyering faggots in online gaming.

What does having sex with other people of the same gender have to with being a rules lawyer?