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Or do you think you found some super secret mob in the game that nobody else has ever charmed before? Please... You are talking a lot of smack and backing none of it up.
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08-09-2010, 02:20 PM
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Enchanters should never be considered primarily as DPS on a raid, and really the only time they should be charming is when there are enough enchanters to go around that they are free to tag 2-3 mobs and still have plenty of chanter mana for mezzes, buffs and the like. Does this mean they can't be a DPS class? not at all, in fact they can do some of the most nutso things in everquest alone or with a druid/cleric, but they aren't a DPS class because their other tasks require far more attention and are far more important to a raid setting.
This is not to say that they can't be considered DPS. Certain mobs are far easier with a couple of enchanter pets then they are without them, but if it comes down to a raid where there are 2 enchanters and 2 rogues, the enchanters generally will not have pets and will be busy keeping everyone alive while and the rogues are making sure everything is dead. EDIT: i've seen numbers parsed for DPS and rogues/monks tend to be very very close. Pets (mage/necro) usually come in behind the rogues and monks, followed by the rest. I know of a couple of mobs that can put out some very nasty DPS when charmed, but strictly speaking class and not specific situations, rogues/monks are at the top. | ||
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08-09-2010, 02:42 PM
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Hasted, a planar mob will easily out DPS a top-geared rogue, however a rogue's DPS doesn't turn against and kill him at random times. If yer hasting charmed planar pets outside of a boss kill, yer really taking unnecessary risks, and probably are either short-stacked as a guild or single-group raid or solo/duoing, or trying to compensate for something.
In other words, Shews, nobody cares how big your epeen is. You're acting like Stewart right now: "LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!" [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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08-09-2010, 03:09 PM
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you'd need a legit sample size, id say 10 or more (way lowballed), of raids to even begin to parse the consistency of Rogue DPS versus an Enc's charmed pet imposing risk to the ENC and draining mana from healers.
If your healers have a shit load of mana, and the ENC has a shitload of STA then clearly the risk versus reward favors an ENC dps given that even when the charm breaks you're not looking at OOM clerics or Enchanter's corpse. Rogues however, having played one from 1999->PoTime (big deal huh?), have the difficulty of finding the back and stabbing it. This happens with ZERO risk (you don't even have to be good, just not stupid) on every single mob pulled to the raid/camp. @ mmiles8 -> where do we even begin imputting #'s into excel to quantify this. This is a stupid question, with equally stupid answers. edit: oh not to mention Rogue's have the most wildly innacurate damage parsing over time of any class. to parse a rogue's DPS you seriously need to take an average DPS on every mob that the rogue engages over the length of a raid. Even then, you're likely (without a large enough sample) to only capture a "good" backstab day, or a "bad" backstab day. This is why I was so jealous of monks when velious hit on live. Sure I'm wild DPS and can own grind groups, but when it comes down to it *CONSISTENCY always wins. Enc charm is the epitome of inconsistency without sufficient backup from your raid (as i outlined above regarding healer mana pool). So yes, I guess ENC damage > Rogue damage if your guild name ends in "Basterds" "inity" or "Ascension" because you're able to; sufficiently heal enchanters, help them CC while they recharm, and go about normal raid duties.
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This thread made my epeen so hard, especially all the people that are implying you can't charm a hasted planar mob and do your other duties at the same time, or that you need 4+ enchanters in the raid, or that it's zomgsorisky. Thanks for stroking my peen, brosefs. | |||
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Anyone ever wish rogues were more like thieves in dnd games like baldurs gate? Where they are critical for detecting/disarming traps, picking locks etc. instead of basically being walking dagger dps machines like they are in eq?
also, anyone else cringe a little every time they read the word "epeen", by far my least favorite internet slang word
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1. Pickpocketing for Ragebringer 2. Disarming SSRA Traps
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