Why aren't rogues top DPS?

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Shewz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you're doing it wrong.

No, charmed mobs are glitchy and skip attack rounds. Maybe the rogues you raid with are doing it wrong.

I'm not saying they out-damage the planar mob every time but often enough. Also since we are talking about a full group of 6, you have to take into account who else is in each group, who has what buffs, bard songs, etc.

Besides the thread was about classes that are primarily DPS, not support classes that can be DPS.

[Shewz]

Yeah you right Fry-man. How dumb of me to trust parsers.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Shewz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah you right Fry-man. How dumb of me to trust parsers.

Why all the attitude?
I'm just going from raid experience on this server. Don't need a parser to read exp messages.

[Shewz]

Sorry if I don't feel like typing long-winded explanations of why you and your flimsy evidence are wrong, so I keep it short and full of my rad 'tude.

I know what you're thinking: "Someone on the forums that ISN'T a dumb windbag? Impossible!" But wake up sister, it's the truf.

[Muzyn]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why all the attitude?
I'm just going from raid experience on this server. Don't need a parser to read exp messages.

Obviously a stacked dps group with a healer will outdamage a group with enchanter and a few other utility classes. Shewz stated an enchanter will outdamage the highest melee on the raid consistantly. We can prove this with our raid parses, if your parse shows otherwise then it speaks volumes about your charmers. If you're just talking out of your ass without any proof, then by all means, I don't expect any less from these forums.

[guineapig]

I found that slightly odd that rogues aren't the top damage class with their narrow skill-set. Usually there's some sort of compromise with a variety of factors. For a DPS class these are normally scaling DPS vs. Utility for inter-class balance.

This is what the thread is about. Not about a solo enchanter with a planar mob. When was the last time you saw a rogue soloing a planar mob? How long would an enchanter last with a charmed pet with no healer? Sure you can parse higher DPS from the planar mob then the rogue but you are parsing in a vacuum and you are also way off the topic of the conversation.

My main is an enchanter, I know how much DPS we can do, everyone does. You guys are real geniuses with your parsers. It doesn't change the fact that rogue is a straight DPS class and enchanter isn't. It also doesn't change the fact that rogues currently have the highest DPS of any DPS class in the game. Reread the thread and stay on topic.

Shewz stated this:

Originally Posted by Shewz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Y'all are retarded, I do like 2-3 times more dps than any rogue or monk.

If this were true it would take 2-3 rogues in a group to out damage a single enchanter and it currently doesn't. So who is talking out of their ass?

[Muzyn]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what the thread is about. Not about a solo enchanter with a planar mob. When was the last time you saw a rogue soloing a planar mob? How long would an enchanter last with a charmed pet with no healer? Sure you can parse higher DPS from the planar mob then the rogue but you are parsing in a vacuum and you are also way off the topic of the conversation.

My main is an enchanter, I know how much DPS we can do, everyone does. You guys are real geniuses with your parsers. It doesn't change the fact that rogue is a straight DPS class and enchanter isn't. It also doesn't change the fact that rogues currently have the highest DPS of any DPS class in the game. Reread the thread and stay on topic.

Shewz stated this:


If this were true it would take 2-3 rogues in a group to out damage a single enchanter and it currently doesn't. So who is talking out of their ass?

Every class is capable of DPSing. You need to stop pigeon holing yourself as "utility" because you haven't found the right mob to charm to consistantly double any rogue's dps. And before you spew some crap about it not making any difference, I have parses of a particular mob hitting 50% harder than every other mob.. thus doing 50% more dps. Wouldn't it make sense to assign 1 or 2 enchanters to a DPS role at your raids while the rest did buffs/debuffs/cc?

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Muzyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every class is capable of DPSing. You need to stop pigeon holing yourself as "utility" because you haven't found the right mob to charm to consistantly double any rogue's dps. And before you spew some crap about it not making any difference, I have parses of a particular mob hitting 50% harder than every other mob.. thus doing 50% more dps. Wouldn't it make sense to assign 1 or 2 enchanters to a DPS role at your raids while the rest did buffs/debuffs/cc?

Sure, when we have 4+ enchanters on a raid. And that's great that you found 1 mob in the game that you can say this for. What about the other 99.9% of the time though? You are speaking of a very specific situation, where as I am speaking of general every day situations.

I'm glad you are adding all this information that Shewz didn't. If Shewz would have started by saying that there is this Mob-X in Zone-Y that when charmed does more damage than 2 rogues then we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I don't doubt that there is.

And the problem with your statement above is this:

You need to stop pigeon holing yourself as "utility" because you haven't found the right mob to charm to consistantly double any rogue's dps.

Charm isn't what it used to be. Enchanters aren't consistently charming anything in the Planes, not by themselves. They need to chain stun or mez, re-tash, ask for malo, recharm, occasionally get healed by somebody.

A rogue on a raid asks for haste once every 15 minutes and does DPS the rest of the time.

I'm not pigeon holing myself, there are times when I'm called upon to keep a mob charmed for DPS or tanking purposes and that's what I do. But we aren't running 30-40 man zerg raids in our guild so when DPS is covered and crowd control or buffing is in short supply then my DPS = zero. Rogue DPS should never be zero unless the rogue is AFK or dead.

This is a silly argument to begin with. You could just as easily replace enchanter with bard or necromancer (I would say druid but there is nothing for them to charm worth mentioning.) Anyway, you get my point.

[Shewz]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My main is an enchanter, I know how much DPS we can do, everyone does.

Apparently you don't.

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this were true it would take 2-3 rogues in a group to out damage a single enchanter and it currently doesn't. So who is talking out of their ass?

Maybe not when that single enchanter is you. SHABURNT.

But seriously, reading your posts and looking at your post count, you've got some hardcore right-brain imbalance dawg. I don't recommend that you argue about any logical topic.

[guineapig]

Alright, name the mob and the zone and post your parse logs....
You are the one trying to prove yourself (while attempting to throw childish insults my way... not working by the way).
And while you're at it, show me how you can use this mob to out DPS 2 rogues wherever you go.

By the way, if you don't post the name of the mob and the logs, then kindly GTFO.