No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[Dirkus]

Keep going.

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[fadetree]

That was not a good deflection.

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bold # 1: i guess you never learned along the way that this is a free-to-play server run by volunteers. who exactly are you to be telling the GMs and developers what they should be doing? this isn't Buma's Classic Server, this is Project 1999. i guess you still haven't figured out what me and others have been trying to tell you -- you're not entitled to anything in this game.

bold # 2: the code does normally allow it. in fact, it's been allowing it since the server's conception. this isn't classic EQ, remember? it's only an emulated version of it. if this were an exploit that needed to be fixed, they would have fixed it by now.

bold #3: i guess i'll be the one to let you know: the server isn't past the PoP expansion. in fact, we're only in Kunark right now.

bold #4: this just came to light for you. i'm fairly certain this has been known to others players for several years now.

1. Yes FTP doesn't mean they allow exploits. I am not telling GM or Devs to do anything, as a player we are all entitles to bring up exploits and bugs to the staff so that they can fix them and make the game more enjoyable to those who wish to progress legitimately on content and not have an exploitative edge to pass through quicker.

2. Just because you have code that allows it doesn't mean it's legal to exploit the code to an unfair advantage. As I said this is P99 yes but any exploit they will fix regardless if it impacts the server. In this case as an example players who corpse key AC ring is a major flaw.

3. This is why we got smart people running the server and not you. Because by your logic it's okay to have exploits on P99 and not fix them because Live didn't fix them till after Kunark era. If exploits were found they were fixed on Live, it's not part of normal content that they would allow them just because they got fixed at a later date. If it interferes with the game the P99 staff will fix any major exploit no matter if it was a later date past Kunark or not, at least I would hope so. For example if a exploit was found where it gave every player 5000 plat a day free and it wasn't found out and fixed till after Velious on Live and the Devs left it in P99 then it would harm the economy and server for good, so why would they let that go? They would fix it because exploits do not need to be date permitted for fixes, at least I hope they wouldn't because integrity is worth more than following a guide line they made up.

4. Yes it just came to my attention today, doesn't mean it's any less substantial. If a murderer has been on the loose for 30 years and the cops finally found out he has been killing for 30 years, does that make the murderer any less substantial? No of course not.

Use the quote function for fucks sake, trying to follow your post is like doing a choose your own adventure book.

Side note, choose your own adventure books were awesome.

[Spitty]

Choose your own adventure books were awesome. I'd go back and A+++ read-that-again all day.

This thread, however, descended into utter bullshit. Buma, you can't fucking call someone to task for using the word "entitlement" when you are clearly feeling entitled to other people's time and money:

as a player we are all entitles to bring up exploits and bugs to the staff so that they can fix them

You don't deserve jack-goddamn-shit, especially not with your attitude. You can submit bugs, or what you think are bugs, and the people who do have to spend their own time and money to fix them will take your submissions under review.

If it turns out that the bug isn't worth fixing, or the bug is actually in your perception of how you think things should be, then maybe it's time to wise up and accept the possibility that you're wrong.

That's what level-headed adults do. Kids rip the cereal box up and make a tragic mess because there's no toy at the bottom, without reading the fucking box to see if a toy was ever there in the first place. That's you. You're the kid. Grow the fuck up.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players. As a guide years ago on Live I can tell you with 100% confidence that the higher ups would be cussing a storm and you would of been banned. We had senior GM's who regularly were pissed off at people like you that exploited, yes you got banned but the guides also got to hear their rants.

You already admitted to exploiting the code here. Can we get a GM to confirm if this exploit is bannable? The exploit is camping AC gaining a ring then dying so you can corpse the ring and keep getting more and more rings on multiple corpses. The code doesn't allow you to gain more than one LORE item at a time, thereby you exploit the code by bypassing this with corpse holding many rings. A GM definitely needs to look at this and the Devs. Because it's not something other players would intentionally do to get a fair edge over everyone else to inflate MQ for j-boots and MQ for plat.

Wow, you dont read very well. I already stated that my methods have been scrutinized by Rogen when he thought i was duping AC rings when he noticed i was MQing something like 15 rings a day for a couple days. He found everything to be legit. Recently I explained my entire method to Derubael and all he had to say was how clever it was of me( i can post the log of our convvo when i get home iff youd like. )

The entitlement is strong with Buma. Why are u so mad i have more plat than you anyway?

[kylok]

Buma are you suggesting that people don't corpse their sky rings? Cause that's just silly.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players. As a guide years ago on Live I can tell you with 100% confidence that the higher ups would be cussing a storm and you would of been banned. We had senior GM's who regularly were pissed off at people like you that exploited, yes you got banned but the guides also got to hear their rants.

You already admitted to exploiting the code here. Can we get a GM to confirm if this exploit is bannable? The exploit is camping AC gaining a ring then dying so you can corpse the ring and keep getting more and more rings on multiple corpses. The code doesn't allow you to gain more than one LORE item at a time, thereby you exploit the code by bypassing this with corpse holding many rings. A GM definitely needs to look at this and the Devs. Because it's not something other players would intentionally do to get a fair edge over everyone else to inflate MQ for j-boots and MQ for plat.

Here you go Buma, the answer to your "I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players." question.

[Sat Sep 14 00:42:09 2013] Derubael tells you, 'Just a quick question'
[Sat Sep 14 00:42:17 2013] You told Derubael, 'Whats up?'
[Sat Sep 14 00:42:20 2013] Derubael tells you, 'To satisfy my curiousity'
[Sat Sep 14 00:43:12 2013] Derubael tells you, 'Just wanted to know how the whole jboots mq business works. How do you get customers, how do you complete the MQ, that kinda thing'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:06 2013] Derubael tells you, 'I'll brb, but just give me a run down of how it works, from the start where you first advertise the mq, to getting onto another char to complete the mq.'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:22 2013] You told Derubael, 'ok'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:45 2013] Derubael tells you, 'And your serets are safe with me, I won't be telling anyone how you make it all work'
[Sat Sep 14 00:44:50 2013] You told Derubael, 'I first make sure Hasten is up, and no pesky monks around aroudn that are looking for bro Z'
[Sat Sep 14 00:45:16 2013] You told Derubael, 'Then after that is secured, I head to EC and auction "WTS JBoot MQ, My ring/rapier and your 3250g. 7k"'
[Sat Sep 14 00:45:28 2013] You told Derubael, 'And then its basically a waiting game until I find a customer'
[Sat Sep 14 00:45:57 2013] You told Derubael, 'After I find a buyer, we meet at the bank or tunnel depending on where his plat is and I take payment and convert plat->gold if need be'
[Sat Sep 14 00:46:09 2013] You told Derubael, 'Then I pay a druid/wiz to port us over and we run to Rathe'
[Sat Sep 14 00:46:37 2013] You told Derubael, 'I tell the person, dont do anything until I give the "OK TO TRADE" tell. then I give hasten a rapier and a ring and give the ok to the buyer'
[Sat Sep 14 00:46:45 2013] You told Derubael, 'who then gives Hasten 3250g and receives his jboots'
[Sat Sep 14 00:47:35 2013] You told Derubael, 'No real secrets. The only thing that is a little tricky is figuring out that a corpses item doesnt count towards the "lore" total'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:02 2013] You told Derubael, 'So after I get a ring, Ill just message random people in the zone to kill me in a duel for like 50p or something'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:05 2013] You told Derubael, 'usually a newbie'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:14 2013] You told Derubael, 'and I cannibalize down low, and let him last hit me'
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:30 2013] You told Derubael, 'loot everything but the ring off my corpse and I'm good for another '
[Sat Sep 14 00:48:46 2013] You told Derubael, 'That's pretty much the whole process'
[Sat Sep 14 00:58:04 2013] Derubael tells you, 'How do you get the rapier?'
[Sat Sep 14 00:58:25 2013] You told Derubael, 'I usually get those during downtimes when someone else was already on camp when I logged in'
[Sat Sep 14 00:58:47 2013] You told Derubael, 'Ill run over to feerrott, and kill shadowed men until I get a rapier then gate back to sro and loot one of my corpses with a ring'
[Sat Sep 14 00:59:00 2013] You told Derubael, 'Then I have the person on camp duel me and leave ring/rapier on corpse'
[Sat Sep 14 00:59:07 2013] You told Derubael, 'rinse and repeat'
[Sat Sep 14 01:00:19 2013] You told Derubael, 'corpses also avoid the 'no-rent' tag'
[Sat Sep 14 01:02:41 2013] Derubael tells you, 'Ok, thanks for satisfying my curiousity. That's very clever of you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]'
[Sat Sep 14 01:02:51 2013] You told Derubael, '[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] thanks'
[Sat Sep 14 01:02:57 2013] You told Derubael, 'No problem at all '

There you have it. I put the relevant messages in bold. I know how reading sometimes confuses and angers you. Anything else you feel entitled to Buma?

[Buma]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here you go Buma, the answer to your "I wonder how the GM's on this server think about EXPLOITING the code to get an unfair advantage over other players." question.



There you have it. I put the relevant messages in bold. I know how reading sometimes confuses and angers you. Anything else you feel entitled to Buma?

Oh please save me the BS, stop using entitled word as if I demanded stuff. You idiots keep making shit up, did I ever demand something be given to me or changed? So no. That GM or server Dev? Doesn't matter anyway as whoever it was left that go which I would have never left it go. Now I know your secrets, going try this myself on mage so if you see me taking your business I will share the camp for 50k a day, otherwise I will be there most the day.

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh please save me the BS,stop using entitled word as if I demanded stuff. You idiots keep making shit up, did I ever demand something be given to me or changed? So no. That GM or server Dev? Doesn't matter anyway as whoever it was left that go which I would have never left it go. Now I know your secrets, going try this myself on mage so if you see me taking your business I will share the camp for 50k a day, otherwise I will be there most the day.

Here are just 3 of your entitled statements that I could be bothered to find in 60sec.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards do not need to be pulling anything in these areas deemed for normal players.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The disrespect they give fellow players who are trying to level near the areas that bards shouldn't be pulling from is my motivation for this thread.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...General camp spots in outdoors have designated pull areas, if you got a named that pops on a hill you got all mobs between you and that hill for your group. It so happens to be true, just a picky bard like yourself seems to think they don't exist.

Also, I just got this. lol

Originally Posted by spoils [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Op confirmed Perun alt

Young mapmaker for sure, but he is no Perun.

So in conclusion: Fight me IRL Buma.

[Splorf22]

I think everyone on this forum should be forced to name their ingame accounts