No problem with you bards until tonight, what you guys should understand.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Let me preface this by saying that of course no zones are "reserved" for bards. Hopefully it's obvious that most people saying this are being sarcastic because of how dense the people complaining seem to be.

The OP is the latest is a long, increasingly frequent list of people bringing up bard kiting. I thought this has been covered before, but here are a few relevant points:

(1) There are plenty of places to level in this game. Although I agree that players should not be forced to move due to other players monopolizing large amounts of mobs in a zone, the truth is that there are some inconsiderate people playing this game. It is also true that if the worst does happen, your time is almost always better spent locating another place to level then by complaining for hours on a forum that is probably not seen by the majority of these inconsiderate players.
(2) Not all bards are douchebags, and not all douchebags are bards.
(3) It is possible to kill 200 mobs in a kite without using a bard.
(4) If a player happens to be able to kill more mobs per hour than you, that does not give you a reason to complain.
(5) If a player gets you killed by training, under any circumstances, and with 1 mob or with 100 mobs, then it's that player's fault.

I'd also like to point out a few inconsistencies in the OP's posts because these seem to be common lately:

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a highly adventurous and amazing person who resides currently on P99.

Sticking in one outdoor zone through a large chunk of the most exciting levels in EQ is hardly adventurous

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hell I even gave over 4k away in items to noobs a few days ago

Someone in your level range, that can give away 4k, is complaining about not being powerful enough to level elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's easier to exp in places like OT for players because simply getting into solA or solB for example is slim to none for a good exp group. This is because of several reasons but the main reason is places like this have limited camp spots and most are loot spots so they tend to be camped by the same people over and over.

Are you aware of how many mobs reside in the average dungeon? Take a gander at Jeremy's twitch stream when they're pulling Chardok AOE to get an idea.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, EQ is not LINEAR so suggesting you need to do this place and this place in order is not what EQ is about.

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I don't understand is opinions like this, like EQ is suppose to be a LINEAR game, when in fact players tend to do and go where they can easily exp and get groups like OT

just... wat

Originally Posted by Buma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dungeon groups are hard to find, they generally are all taken up by the main guilds who are generally camping stuff for profit. You would be lucky to get into a group in places like this for exp and loot if you're outside the box (circle).

Have you ever been to the dungeons on the quoted list? Kaesora, Dalnir, Unrest, Runneye, Permafrost, Sol A, Guks, HHK, Nurga, Droga, any outdoor city with guards? A large number of these literally empty during peak hours (and yes, minus camps like Chief Rokgus).

However, since people still seem to feel entitled to hand-holding from a game that promises them absolutely nothing, I have taken the time (read: 5 minutes) to compile a list of outdoor zones that can support reasonable leveling in the 30-45 range. Note that this list is likely incomplete and doesn't count most of the out-of-the-way cities.

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[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not going to look for it again, check the thread. Sirken has stated before that zone monopolization, claiming multiple camps, etc is against server rules.

Claiming multiple camps is indeed against the rules, but again, if there is a written rule about 'zone monopolization' you should link it. I cannot find it.

If the official rule is 'a post Sirken made at some point' then somebody needs to update the already established list of rules.

[bloodmuffin]

Explain what "camps" there are in Overthere?

I'm going to roll a bard right now because of you babies.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by bloodmuffin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Explain what "camps" there are in Overthere?

I'm going to roll a bard right now because of you babies.

There are no 'camps' in The Overthere. The server rules state that you cannot claim outdoor roaming mobs. I was only trying to find out where people got this 'zone monopolization is against the rules' part that doesn't seem to be stated anywhere in the official rules(yet people are claiming that is the rule).

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Claiming multiple camps is indeed against the rules, but again, if there is a written rule about 'zone monopolization' you should link it. I cannot find it.

If the official rule is 'a post Sirken made at some point' then somebody needs to update the already established list of rules.

I've already quoted and linked the post in this thread.

[Champion_Standing]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought you were awarded 9th place Mr Worf? Didn't a klingon use an illegal move and give you a concussion?

Star Trek TNG Episode "Parallels" if anyone is wondering what the fuck I'm on about [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ROFL, I knew someone would get it eventually.

9th place was in the timeline that I escaped from!

[Buma]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

<not a bard

Show me a rule that designates a pull area for specific classes...hell show me a rule that designates ANY pull area. Are you referring to player made agreements? Fuck those, nothing is sacred not even "general consensus"

This game caters to no one; compete or fail. You aren't going to change the game to suit your needs, so what exactly are you after?

With that elitist attitude you must go far in life.

[heartbrand]

If only there were a server where you could root rude bards like this and do something about it

[Estu]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why do you keep raging on Dungeons? Druids, Rangers are a outdoor class. Wizards sure as hell aren't going to Quad Kite indoors either. It is a ton safer to level outdoors. You can't have one person have an entire zone. I don't care how "Crappy" some others think the XP is there.

I'm not sure you read my earlier posts? I said that certain classes, such as quad kiters, are indeed much better suited to outdoor zones. I was addressing the OP's specific situation of a standard EXP group in OT.

[Buma]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me preface this by saying that of course no zones are "reserved" for bards. Hopefully it's obvious that most people saying this are being sarcastic because of how dense the people complaining seem to be.

The OP is the latest is a long, increasingly frequent list of people bringing up bard kiting. I thought this has been covered before, but here are a few relevant points:

(1) There are plenty of places to level in this game. Although I agree that players should not be forced to move due to other players monopolizing large amounts of mobs in a zone, the truth is that there are some inconsiderate people playing this game. It is also true that if the worst does happen, your time is almost always better spent locating another place to level then by complaining for hours on a forum that is probably not seen by the majority of these inconsiderate players.
(2) Not all bards are douchebags, and not all douchebags are bards.
(3) It is possible to kill 200 mobs in a kite without using a bard.
(4) If a player happens to be able to kill more mobs per hour than you, that does not give you a reason to complain.
(5) If a player gets you killed by training, under any circumstances, and with 1 mob or with 100 mobs, then it's that player's fault.

I'd also like to point out a few inconsistencies in the OP's posts because these seem to be common lately:



Sticking in one outdoor zone through a large chunk of the most exciting levels in EQ is hardly adventurous



Someone in your level range, that can give away 4k, is complaining about not being powerful enough to level elsewhere?



Are you aware of how many mobs reside in the average dungeon? Take a gander at Jeremy's twitch stream when they're pulling Chardok AOE to get an idea.




just... wat



Have you ever been to the dungeons on the quoted list? Kaesora, Dalnir, Unrest, Runneye, Permafrost, Sol A, Guks, HHK, Nurga, Droga, any outdoor city with guards? A large number of these literally empty during peak hours (and yes, minus camps like Chief Rokgus).

However, since people still seem to feel entitled to hand-holding from a game that promises them absolutely nothing, I have taken the time (read: 5 minutes) to compile a list of outdoor zones that can support reasonable leveling in the 30-45 range. Note that this list is likely incomplete and doesn't count most of the out-of-the-way cities.

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Dude you quoted me and took everything I said out of context to disprove me or make me look like less of a credible person. Have you read anything I posted? The posts and quotes you did are towards other peoples posts, they have no merit or exceptions to quote those things that pertain to this thread. I really hate people like you, making something that isn't there into something. I bet you think ghosts are real too, probably one of those CONSPIRACY people who thinks the World Trade Center buildings fell down because of explosives. Fuck off trying to make stuff up. Quote me and discuss something real instead of making shit up and taking out of context.