Victim disarmament zones

[Jarnauga]

Why can't we all use macroquest ?

i mean, the cheaters have an unfair advantage compared to us, rules abiding norrathians. It's not because Rogean says that MQ is bad that it's gonna stop people using it ! and come on, you trust Rogean, Sirken etc to protect us from it ? come on..

I say that we all have the right to use MQ, Rogean is just a commie trying to cut our liberties. After all the server is based in the US, land of the brave and freedom (insert-pic-of-hawk-here.jpg)

[Hailto]

lol canadians

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why can't we all use macroquest ?

i mean, the cheaters have an unfair advantage compared to us, rules abiding norrathians. It's not because Rogean says that MQ is bad that it's gonna stop people using it ! and come on, you trust Rogean, Sirken etc to protect us from it ? come on..

I say that we all have the right to use MQ, Rogean is just a commie trying to cut our liberties. After all the server is based in the US, land of the brave and freedom (insert-pic-of-hawk-here.jpg)

This is the dumbest shit I've seen posted since the last time Naez posted.

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the dumbest shit I've seen posted since the last time Naez posted.

If you find what i wrote dumb, there's hope for you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[aowen]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, correlation does not assert a probability of causation. At first I thought you were just being deceitful in trying to use statistics to confuse and overwhelm people. It's a pretty common way to manipulate the ignorant masses. As you continue to write, it becomes clear you are actually part of the ignorant masses. My first clue was when you started dropping pseudoscience terms like retrocausality in an attempt to sound smart. Now you don't seem to understand the problems with inferring causation from correlation at all. You see, if A and B happen, A might cause B, B might cause A, C might cause A and B, or there may be no link whatsoever. A stronger correlation does not help us in determining which of these is the case. And clearly in any complex system, a single effect may be influenced by multiple causes. None of this permits you to infer causation from correlation.

To put it in terms of this debate, let's assume for a minute that there is a strong correlation between increased gun laws and reduced murder rate. It could be the case that adding a new gun law will directly reduce the murder rate. Or it could be the case that as murder rates drop due to other reasons, people feel less that they need guns and thus enact more laws. Or it could be the case that as a nation of people start to feel more close-knit as a society, they both kill each other less and accept tighter gun restrictions. The strength of the correlation tells us nothing about which are causes and which are effects.

Determining causation is far more difficult, particularly in the social sciences, where scientific experiment is for all practical purposes impossible. I don't think I have the answer on the best way to do this, though it's clear that statistical correlation is not even close to the right way. I'm sure you'll just keep on using it though. It's pretty easy to fool people into believing you when you can cite scientific-sounding sources. Most people simply aren't tuned in enough to the nature of knowledge to have any chance at defending against such an assault on logic.

Oh I see what you're saying. Research is meaningless because it is impossible to determine if it is actually a cause or not, so better to just rely on your superior logic that supersedes evidence alluding to the PROBABILITY that something is causal. Since no facts concerning social issues can ever be scientifically proved causal, we should ignore everything else and concentrate solely on rational argument, never knowing if our linear logic actually is correct. Anyone failing to recognize this is a confused member of the ignorant masses and a mental dwarf.incspable of sound reasoning. Or they are attempting to manipulate all the people that you're so much smarter than. Therefore, any claims ranging from carbon dioxide emissions in part being the cause of global warming, to an increase in sales due to marketing campaigns are bogus because the data supporting them is all correlation disguised as causation.

This is why conservatives and the religious are confidently ignorant, they believe they don't need information, and that their sophisticated logic structures founded on nothing resembling reality stand proudly in the face of information and days analysis.

[aowen]

I might also add within that framework you can say essentially nothing with any confidence because anything could be the cause of or result of anything else. this also means you cant say that anything is not the cause of something. If it makes sense, it might be valid, might not

[Ryba]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why can't we all use macroquest ?

i mean, the cheaters have an unfair advantage compared to us, rules abiding norrathians. It's not because Rogean says that MQ is bad that it's gonna stop people using it ! and come on, you trust Rogean, Sirken etc to protect us from it ? come on..

I say that we all have the right to use MQ, Rogean is just a commie trying to cut our liberties. After all the server is based in the US, land of the brave and freedom (insert-pic-of-hawk-here.jpg)

They won't get it. This is still too subtle to get past the fetal alcohol damage. Fortunately, these people are easily flown over. Plus they don't realize their votes go to a party that has forsaken them in all but the most superficial issues.

[Ryba]

Why rehash freshman philosophy? Correlation is a necessary but insufficient condition in determining causation. Causality is never entailed from statistical correlation.

But to jump from that to "all statistics should be ignored" is fucking retarded. Statistical significance tests applied to well-done research can provide useful information and suggest high confidence that a factor being examined is a direct cause.

Understanding this is the difference between being tricked by numbers, or worse yet, so confused by them that you give up and cower in ignorance with your guns, versus actually adjusting your beliefs in the light of new information.

[Rellapse34]

u guyz like my pistol????

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[bubba]

oooh