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Old 09-21-2013, 02:10 AM
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??? I dont get it. Best yes.....but..what? Only needing 3 items? Two you could get with 400p for the pair??
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:28 AM
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My point for deliberately misinterpreting Loraen's guide was that most new players will interpret it the same way. If you're new to the game, you might see Loraen's scores for bard or shaman and think they're the best for a new player.
Ok, that's a fair point. I'll yell at him too next time I see him in guild chat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 09-21-2013, 08:33 AM
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Because its WAY easier for anyone, particularly a mew player to make friends and form strong bonds being in a guild and grouping with people.
As I said (twice now, I think), basically all of the strong solo classes are also great classes to have in groups. It's 90% about how the player players his character and only 10% about which class the player chooses. An enchanter can oh, so easily level from 1-60 solo. Or he can level 1-60 in a group. Or he can do any mix of things inbetween. And the same is true for necros, mages, bards, shamans, druids. Hell, even clerics can solo 1-45 quite nicely even when untwinked, so long as they do their research about leveling spots. Or they can (obviously) spend their time healing in groups.

Don't tell people to play a certain class because you think it's better for them to be forced to group. That's retarded. Tell people to pick the class they think sounds like the most fun while also considering that their playstyle can affect the networking they do ingame.
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Old 09-21-2013, 09:01 AM
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I like that sks and warriors are expected to tank well but paladins don't have to hehe
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:22 PM
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I ran into a BIG issue very early. I mean, I love the idea of a guide intended for new players (especially one written BY a new player), but the "play a character to make money so that you can make the character you really want" is almost certainly bad advice.

It takes so much time in p99 to level up, to get gear, to make money, to do ANYTHING really, that you really should be playing whatever it is that you have fun with rather than doing something that is strictly a grind to try to do something else that's fun 3 months down the line. Etc.
^This

I really hate seeing people tell new players not to play half the classes in the game because its going to be too "difficult" for them. Play what you want to play, enjoy the game, and you won't regret it.

Play a class you don't like or are not interested in and you'll likely get bored and quit before you ever have the chance to twink the character you really wanted to play the whole time.
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Old 09-21-2013, 01:39 PM
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Cucumber's guide to your first character

step 1: Roll iksar warrior
step 2: Be showered in bitches and platinum
step 3: You're done! You're awesome!
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Old 09-21-2013, 02:57 PM
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Gear that used to be considered awesome back in the day is so cheap on this server that you can gear any toon to adequate gear levels for your content pretty easily. Most people you'll play with will be twinked in some way, so most at-level gear drops are up for grabs for at least half the party.

Learn to live with a Bracelet of Woven Grass instead of Golden Bracers. Get an FBR instead of a Tola Robe. Totally doable.
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:07 PM
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The intro has been updated to better reflect the goal of the guide.

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I really hate seeing people tell new players not to play half the classes in the game because its going to be too "difficult" for them. Play what you want to play, enjoy the game, and you won't regret it.

Play a class you don't like or are not interested in and you'll likely get bored and quit before you ever have the chance to twink the character you really wanted to play the whole time.
This is a good point that several people have made. Players should play what looks appealing. However, based on available information, some of the easiest classes to play at lower to mid levels are extremely unappealing. On the wiki, the class descriptions are rife with caveats about class weaknesses that I believe are misleading. What % of rangers quit after they look online and find out how underpowered they are? How many people narrow their choices to soloist classes, despite the fact that small groups are easy to form and are typically more efficient.

When I get the time, I'll play an untwinked ranger, farm mad cash from the newbie zone, buy some sick dps gear from EC, and write a 1-30 guide about it.

Also, does anybody agree with me about expectations of paladins as tanks? At this point I'm guessing I was dead wrong about that.
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:17 PM
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Why would you make a guide when you have no clue about most things? Terrible guide
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Old 09-21-2013, 03:41 PM
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How many people narrow their choices to soloist classes, despite the fact that small groups are easy to form and are typically more efficient.
But those "soloist" classes are the foundation of everything that is right and good in the game. That's why they get recommended. Yes they are good soloers, but they are also good in groups.

Good luck putting together a good 3- or 4-person group that doesn't involve a single enchanter, shaman, bard, necromancer, or mage.


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When I get the time, I'll play an untwinked ranger, farm mad cash from the newbie zone, buy some sick dps gear from EC, and write a 1-30 guide about it.
Good luck overcoming the stigma against rangers with the "sick dps gear" that won't even include an fbss.



I'm not trying to rag on you. I really do like the idea of a guide written specifically for a new player to everquest. But your somewhat incorrect perceptions and lack of experience with the game are leading you to give some generally bad advice.
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