Prop 8 - Page 4

Extunarian · #31 08-05-2010, 03:55 PM

Ha I missed that. "On the verge of starting a big dirty war (Iran etc)."

Hello? I believe we are already in 2 of them? If only I could remember what party controlled both houses of congress and the white house in 2001-2002...

guineapig · #32 08-05-2010, 03:56 PM

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Ha I missed that. "On the verge of starting a big dirty war (Iran etc)."

And 1984 wasn't a pre-war book by any stretch of the imagination... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Toony · #33 08-05-2010, 04:03 PM

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Ha I missed that. "On the verge of starting a big dirty war (Iran etc)."

Hello? I believe we are already in 2 of them? If only I could remember what party controlled both houses of congress and the white house in 2001-2002...

All these dirty republicans voted for the authorization of military force against Iraq in 2002: Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, Joe Biden, John Breaux, Maria Cantwell, Jean Carnahan, Tom Carper, Max Cleland, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschle, Chris Dodd, Byron Dorgan, John Edwards, Dianne Feinstein, Tom Harkin, Fritz Hollings, Tim Johnson, John Kerry, Herb Kohl, Mary Landrieu, Joseph Lieberman, Blanche Lincoln, Zell Miller, Bill Nelson, Ben Nelson, Harry Reid, Jay Rockefeller, Chuck Schumer, Bob Torricelli

Er wait...

guineapig · #34 08-05-2010, 04:14 PM

This is veering so far off topic at this point...

Point is that 1984 was a great book which many people on the forums have apparently not read and like to cite as an example, albeit poorly.

Oh, and also Prop 8 has been overturned!

makoho · #35 08-05-2010, 06:54 PM

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7 million slimes in this case, eh? Ruling the state/country from a bench is epic fail (absence of democratic voting process). So go on with your faulty comparisons and petty name calling [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe if people wouldn't try to force their "moral" view of human relationships into democracy this wouldnt need to happen, but it did.

Hasbinbad · #36 08-05-2010, 08:08 PM

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And 1984 wasn't a pre-war book by any stretch of the imagination... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

..although I've heard an interpretation that stated that there actually was no war, even that there was no eurasia or eastasia.. ..that oceania was in fact a global state.. ..that Goldstein never existed. It was all manufactured to keep the proles and the "outer" party in a constant state of terror. Manufacturing Consent anyone?

Qaedain · #37 08-05-2010, 08:48 PM

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But typical, another judge ruling from the bench

Good to see that it didn't take very long for the bigots to show up and fight for inequality and establishmentarianism with straw man arguments.

The Bill of Rights and the First Amendment are bullshit anyways.

Elissa · #38 08-06-2010, 01:31 PM

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Good to see that it didn't take very long for the bigots to show up and fight for inequality and establishmentarianism with straw man arguments.

The Bill of Rights and the First Amendment are bullshit anyways.

^^

guineapig · #39 08-06-2010, 02:18 PM

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..although I've heard an interpretation that stated that there actually was no war, even that there was no eurasia or eastasia.. ..that oceania was in fact a global state.. ..that Goldstein never existed. It was all manufactured to keep the proles and the "outer" party in a constant state of terror. Manufacturing Consent anyone?

I do enjoy modern interpretations of the classics. I have heard this one as well but I doubt it was the original intent of the author.

Matrix Revolutions (which was a huge pile of crap of a movie by the way) had a really good fan made plot. Short version: Zion is just a Matrix within The Matrix for the 10% of humans that reject the virtual world that was created for them by the Machines. Neo was nothing more than a machine himself. Pretty bleak shit but would have made for a far better movie ending.

There is actually a ton of dialog AND EVENTS in the movie that supports this theory but sadly the Wachowski's never thought of this themselves (their writing simply isn't that great) or we would have seen a 4th movie by now.

Um.... oh yeah and GO EQUAL RIGHTS TO ALL!!!

yaaaflow · #40 08-06-2010, 02:36 PM

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..although I've heard an interpretation that stated that there actually was no war, even that there was no eurasia or eastasia.. ..that oceania was in fact a global state.. ..that Goldstein never existed. It was all manufactured to keep the proles and the "outer" party in a constant state of terror. Manufacturing Consent anyone?

I actually thought that was the generally accepted interpretation of 1984 tbh. What with the suddenly switching from being at war with eurasia to eastasia and "we have always been at war with eastasia" propaganda. Just manufactured drama to keep everyone scared/in line. I never did read it for a class though, so I didn't do a whole ton of deep thought on it.
/derail

back on topic, I too hope that you can one day marry the man of your dreams Hasbin.