Will I be reimbursed?

[FenninEQaddict]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More like TMO wipes to a mob twice and exceeds the 20 minute timer thus making the mob free for all. BDA shows up to take the target and TMO proceeds to kite the mob for over 10 minutes and gets caught red handed. TMO kills the mob anyways and Sirken is forced to reprimand TMO for their rule breaking and hand over the loot to BDA. Don't kite raid mobs kids, sometimes you will get caught.

Also check out my new sig quote courtesy of Aalpha with his take on the events.

Obviously there was alot of information not disclosed in Sirken's twitch chat. Doesnt change the fact that its pretty inappropriate the way it went down. Also means you now have a second monk epic you can sell so hopefully someone jumps right on that in EC. Guess the GM handouts work for someone other than TMO huh.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Pringles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are GMs allowing MQ scamming, exactly? I get not "supporting" MQs, but scamming is scamming is scamming, MQ or not.

because its no different from direct trade scam:

A: WTS fungi tunic 100k
You: I will buy
A puts Cloth Tunic into your Trade Window
You put 100k and click trade

The trade is completed, and calling to GM does absolutely nothing - you clicked TRADE - whatever was in the window was traded. Its done.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by FenninEQaddict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Obviously there was alot of information not disclosed in Sirken's twitch chat. Doesnt change the fact that its pretty inappropriate the way it went down. Also means you now have a second monk epic you can sell so hopefully someone jumps right on that in EC. Guess the GM handouts work for someone other than TMO huh.

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO can't take the competition or their own tactics working against them? unpossible! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Widan]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The trade is completed, and calling to GM does absolutely nothing - you clicked TRADE - whatever was in the window was traded. Its done.

Not exactly seeing as GM's are people and not robots so they can make decisions on a case by case basis. Though it seems they have decided that all scamming will go unpunished. The question the community wants to know is why?

[skipdog]

Getting scammed sucks. But what if Flame didn't get scammed and the person he was dealing with truly did just mess up the turn-in or there was a weird issue affecting the MQ? You guys really think both people should just be screwed? Because MQs are... uhh lame?

I think it is unfortunate that the GMs here stopped CSR support of MQs and Account Trading recently.

It's frustrating to join a server and put so much time into it because of things like CSR supported MQs and legit Account Trades so when those things get removed, you start to wonder about what will be changed next. I'd rather see them show interest in finding more GMs if 'its taking too much of our time' is the real reason they changed their policy on these things.

For instance, a big part of my motivation to level characters is that I know that my time is worth something. I know that I can turn that time spent on a character into plat at some point if I'd like to. That 'making my time feel worth something' feeling is gone. I know I can do shady backroom deals to sell a character for plat but I don't want to do that.

In terms of MQ support, I don't see any good reason why there shouldn't be CSR support for MQs. I like the bigger variety of 'camps you can hold to make plat' that MQing gives us. The changing of that policy seemed to coincide with many whining forum posts on the topic. Either way, it's frustrating to have such longstanding policies be changed when dealing with something that requires so much of a time investment as Everquest.

I guess it comes down to the 'I am playing here because of how the rules were and my belief that these longstanding rules would not be changed' and it seems unjust to make changes to some of the core things that have kept some of us here in the first place.

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Getting scammed sucks. But what if Flame didn't get scammed and the person he was dealing with truly did just mess up the turn-in or there was a weird issue affecting the MQ? You guys really think both people should just be screwed? Because MQs are... uhh lame?

I think it is unfortunate that the GMs here stopped CSR support of MQs and Account Trading recently.

It's frustrating to join a server and put so much time into it because of things like CSR supported MQs and legit Account Trades so when those things get removed, you start to wonder about what will be changed next. I'd rather see them show interest in finding more GMs if 'its taking too much of our time' is the real reason they changed their policy on these things.

For instance, a big part of my motivation to level characters is that I know that my time is worth something. I know that I can turn that time spent on a character into plat at some point if I'd like to. That 'making my time feel worth something' feeling is gone. I know I can do shady backroom deals to sell a character for plat but I don't want to do that.

In terms of MQ support, I don't see any good reason why there shouldn't be CSR support for MQs. I like the bigger variety of 'camps you can hold to make plat' that MQing gives us. The changing of that policy seemed to coincide with many whining forum posts on the topic. Either way, it's frustrating to have such longstanding policies be changed when dealing with something that requires so much of a time investment as Everquest.

I guess it comes down to the 'I am playing here because of how the rules were and my belief that these longstanding rules would not be changed' and it seems unjust to make changes to some of the core things that have kept some of us here in the first place.

I hope this is a "what if" because if it's not, then you can't read. We didn't DO the MQ, he handed me the jeweled dagger and told me to wait fro him to show up. He never showed up. He then put me on ignore.

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by Widan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not exactly seeing as GM's are people and not robots so they can make decisions on a case by case basis. Though it seems they have decided that all scamming will go unpunished. The question the community wants to know is why?

if I would have sold you some MQ for say 100k, and never delivered, how would you prove that you didn't simply owed me 100k that you just returned? Cause that's what I will claim.

[FenninEQaddict]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO can't take the competition or their own tactics working against them? unpossible! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wondering who will end up losing that fight. TMO may have more to lose if BDA could compete but the past has shown this is their only chance from what I've heard. Dont start it yet I need to go get popcorn first for the show. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Vaildez]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if I would have sold you some MQ for say 100k, and never delivered, how would you prove that you didn't simply owed me 100k that you just returned? Cause that's what I will claim.

And that is why we have a database. They can easily pull a query and prove this is false.

[ncapatina]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if I would have sold you some MQ for say 100k, and never delivered, how would you prove that you didn't simply owed me 100k that you just returned? Cause that's what I will claim.

I'd assume there would be a detailed chat log of the sale. It's never a he said/she said situation there are lots of data points the GM staff have access to.

That being said, if they endorsed MQing by supporting it that's just another time suck away from important issues/development. It's a small team.

Either make the items droppable so a true trade can happen, or leave it free for all and people will just have to make good decisions.