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Old 08-05-2010, 12:28 AM
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simple math dude.

You have 2400 mana, I have 2400 mana.

You cast Ice Comet 6 times and are out of mana. You did 6720 damage.
I cast Lava Bolt 8 times for 6480 damage and still have a pet doing more DPS.

Sure, you did 240 more damage nuking than I did (or about 3.5% more), but which of us did the most damage over that fight?
simple math dude.

You have 2400 mana, I have 2400 mana.

You cast Ice Comet 6 times and are out of mana. You did 6720 damage.
I cast a spell that does 81 damage for 30 mana, 80 times, for 6480 damage and still have a pet doing more DPS.

Sure, you did 240 more damage nuking than I did, but which one of us did the most damage over that fight?
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Old 08-05-2010, 12:35 AM
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simple math dude.

You have 2400 mana, I have 2400 mana.

You cast Ice Comet 6 times and are out of mana. You did 6720 damage.
I cast a spell that does 81 damage for 30 mana, 80 times, for 6480 damage and still have a pet doing more DPS.

Sure, you did 240 more damage nuking than I did, but which one of us did the most damage over that fight?
Your logic is sound but the differences in number of casts radically distorts what is actually going on. Mages may have to cast a few more times, not 80 times a wizard, to do the same amount of damage, but that doesn't matter in the long run during a raid where a wizard is constantly medding to do 1 more nuke while a mage's pet is constant DPS. Sure the burst fire is a slightly better on a wizard not to mention the base resist modifier is slightly better but overall the argument is that the slight reduction doesn't offset the pet DPS.
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Old 08-05-2010, 12:40 AM
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I am simply comparing wizard best nuke to a mages best nuke. I have no idea what you are trying to say. But okay, we'll run with it a bit, see how far it goes.

You cast Ice Comet 6 times. takes 6.3 seconds to cast, 2.25 seconds to reset. assuming you can chain cast with out aggro, your 6 casts take a total of 51.3 seconds and you are out of mana with nothing further to contribute.

I cast Lava Bolt 8 times. Takes 7 seconds to cast, 2.25 seconds to reset. Again, assuming I can chain cast with out aggro, takes 74 seconds and I am out of mana.

That gives you 23 seconds or we'll even be generous and give you a full 24 seconds or 4 ticks to regen some mana back while I am still casting. 4 ticks. Thats what? 80 mana regened? 100? Hell, I'll even be generous and say you get the full 400 to cast another Ice Comet (which is ridiculous, but hey, lets run with it).

So, you get a 7th cast of Ice Comet. Total damage, 7840. My total Damage, 6480 from nukes, plus my pet which as I said hits for up to 58, and quads. I'm still willing to bet my pet does more than the 1380 damage difference betwen you nuking and me nuking.

All I'm saying it's like the rabbit and the turtle. steady damage over time will out beat burst damage most of the time. And the mages pet makes up for and surpasses any lack of damage we may have in the nuking department.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:46 PM
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simple math dude.

You have 2400 mana, I have 2400 mana.

You cast Ice Comet 6 times and are out of mana. You did 6720 damage.
I cast a spell that does 81 damage for 30 mana, 80 times, for 6480 damage and still have a pet doing more DPS.

Sure, you did 240 more damage nuking than I did, but which one of us did the most damage over that fight?
Simple math dude.

You have 2400 mana, I have 2400 mana.

I cast Ice Comet 3 times and stop because you are dead.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:55 PM
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/flamesuit on

For the original question: Mages quite simply are very OP. IMO Their abilites don't allign with Verant's vision (social / group focus) as they can make it 50 faster than any other class without ever having to group. (Guess you can tell I have mage envy here)

Really it doesn't make sense for hybrids to get a huge xp penalty while they still need groups to level effectively. Yet clases that can easily solo (Druid, Mage, Necro) in some cases get xp bonuses due to race selection. Mages/Necros should have to share the xp from a kill with their pet.

I still insist that the pets on this server are far more deadly than they ever were on live from 99-01.
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Old 08-05-2010, 07:03 PM
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Ya they should include all the bugs that went with pets on live and the horrible trains they cause and it would be about equal =P
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Old 08-05-2010, 07:59 PM
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I still insist that the pets on this server are far more deadly than they ever were on live from 99-01.
Not even close. Pre-nerf 49 necro pets on live with two fine steel daggers would absolutely level Lower Guk deadside... with extreme prejudice. On here caster pets are still heads and tails above PC melee, but i mean.... if you didn't witness actual mage and necro pets in early 1999, I don't know what to tell you. Words don't describe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 08-06-2010, 03:44 AM
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Not even close. Pre-nerf 49 necro pets on live with two fine steel daggers would absolutely level Lower Guk deadside... with extreme prejudice. On here caster pets are still heads and tails above PC melee, but i mean.... if you didn't witness actual mage and necro pets in early 1999, I don't know what to tell you. Words don't describe. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
Don't remember when it was, but it was sometime in early classic...a patch fked up necros...made it so they could have as many pets up as they wanted o_O. Lasted for a few days, too..messed up :P The horde was a nice touch--probably a forerunner to the PoP swarm pets D=
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Old 08-06-2010, 01:24 AM
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Simple math dude.

You have 2400 mana, I have 2400 mana.

I cast Ice Comet 3 times and stop because you are dead.
not really

you begin to cast ice comet

gebtik kick you for 2

spell was interrupted

you begin to cast ice comet

you whatever the emote is when the air pet stun you

spell was interrupted

you died
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