A proposed PvP Teams ruleset: Modified SZ (long)

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have always thought variance is a retarded idea so you are obviously mixing me up with someone else. Nice deflection though.

Deflection is his favorite diplomacy card to play.

[Vexenu]

It's pretty clear that most of the people in Nihilum are defending the status quo on Red completely out of self-interest. I mean, there's no defensible argument in favor of a server where half the players are in a single guild and have no real competition. They're basically just playing on their own private guild server. Literally every other non-Nihilum could disappear from the server and they'd still probably still have two dozen guys logging on to raid and collect pixels to show off to each other.

I'd have a lot more respect for them if they would come say flat out that they enjoy raiding uncontested and having the occasional PvP steamroll for kicks. Because pretending that they're playing there because they love PvP or competition is completely laughable, and it's obvious they don't even believe that themselves. There's literally nothing more blue than raiding uncontested with half the server in your guild and rolling over unorganized opposition wearing Planes armor while you're fully decked in VP gear.

The funny thing is, I guarantee that 90% of Nihilum would actually have a lot more fun on a Teams server. They've got to be getting bored as fuck with the current state of Red. Yeah, you'd lose your pixels starting over on Teams, but so would everyone from Blue. And once you saw how exciting the Teams environment is, you wouldn't miss them. At least, not if you're the type of EQ player who values friends/fun/PvP/excitement more than simply acquiring pixels. And I think that's actually most players, even the ones currently hoarding pixels on Red.

Red is basically stuck in a rut and will never emerge, because there's zero incentive for any new players to join the server. It's on a long, slow death spiral and will continue that way. It will just be Nihilum raiding, one decent sized "opposition" guild that picks up the scraps, and a handful of PvP guilds of half a dozen people or less who run around randomly trying to pick people off. It will never get any better because no one wants to play on a terrible server like that except Nihilum and a few die hards who have already leveled characters and log on occasionally just to look for fights.

If you actually want a functioning PvP server, and not just a Nihilum raiding sandbox, you should support a new PvP Teams server with these proposed rules.

[Harllo]

As a SZ vet, i would play on a fresh sullon-style server.

[Old_PVP]

I would definitely play on this server.

Teams creates an atmosphere that allows bigger and better pvp battles.

Speaking from experience.

-RZ, SZ, DAoC, UO vet

[Bazia]

nothing like a bunch of people who either haven't played or played a day or two telling the staff how to fix the server

server aint broke (other then resists)

leave it alone

[Rec]

We don't want to do anything to your well running server with 50 people. This would be for a different server.

[Bazia]

I'm sure staff are going to put up another PVP server with the great interest red99 has gotten.

Not a second blue server to relieve the congestion of the 1k+ people playing there.

Server had 137 on last night, you mad newfag?

[Rec]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sure staff are going to put up another PVP server with the great interest red99 has gotten.

Not a second blue server to relieve the congestion of the 1k+ people playing there.

Server had 137 on last night, you mad newfag?

No, I am happy for you, it sounds like an FFA pvp server was definitely the right move with those kinds of numbers.

[Bazia]

im glad you are an expert in red99 history and have zeroed in on why the pop is low

[Old_PVP]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im glad you are an expert in red99 history and have zeroed in on why the pop is low

You act like "red99 history" was something that merits remembering in the first place. You don't have to be an expert in "red99 history" to recognize the signs of a dying server struggling to stay afloat. Don't be so arrogant in thinking that your precious red99 is a perfect server that is not in dire need of an overhaul.

Most of us that are posting suggestions want to see this server succeed, because it is potentially one of the best options for free MMO pvp out there. Some may not have any "red99 history" but we do have years and years of PVP history from all walks of MMORPGs. This isn't our first rodeo, and this isn't 1999. Most of us aren't noobs anymore. We know what works and what makes good PVP, and teams work, even in EverQuest.

Get with the program and turn red99 into something worthy of remembrance.