A proposed PvP Teams ruleset: Modified SZ (long)

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any server where I can't attack whoever I want is a blue server IMO.

I took you off ignore because you fuck up with lil juicy tidbits like this.

Dood YOU ARE ON A SERVER WHERE YOU BASICALLY CANT WONT DONT ATTACK ANYONE. (edit missed a V in my rage)

Gratz on Nili app.

The man in Nili saying this ... taste the rainbow jizz. Drunk on it.

And P.S. no one respects you much anymore or your opinion because all you do is come shit up legitimately cool threads/ideas with this crap.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

negative because I have the option to deguild @ any time of my choosing and kill people. if my guild pisses me off and I dont like em? I can deguild and go to town on them. Team server? im fucked

So it's that choice you have that makes this server fun for you even though there is 0% chance you would ever bite the hand that feeds you? As the poster above said, coming from you this is a complete joke. You can't front being a rebel, pvper, etc. on this server when everyone knows your past. Your identity has been lost and you have been issued a number.

I actually feel bad for the Nihilum members that do just want to come here, keep their head down and enjoy some PvE they can't get anywhere else. People like HB that preach this bullshit while being an obvious hypocrite make the guild look bad.

[heartbrand]

dunno dawg I fought nihilum for over a year in multiple guilds, what's your credentials? I get more pvp in nihilum than I would outside of it atm. If you're not in nihilum you can't kill other people cuz then you piss them off and grief them to nihilum, the servers too small to make fun small pvp guilds cuz no1 to kill really, but if you're in nihilum you can kill every1 else. There's not a lot of nihilum on during the week so it's not as if I detagged that I suddenly would have tons of targets.

At the end of the day I don't get it. People talk about this being a big bad pvp server where pve is dumb and meaningless but yet they seem so concerned about what Nihilum does or does not do, how does them killing bosses affect your enjoyment of pvp server?

[Stinkum]

Like I said, no one believes you. People are judged on their behavior in game. How many years have you been in Nihilum now? You've had absolutely no problem with not being able to attack 4/5ths of the populace in your range for years now, so don't feign that you suddenly are concerned.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dunno dawg I fought nihilum for over a year in multiple guilds, what's your credentials? I get more pvp in nihilum than I would outside of it atm. If you're not in nihilum you can't kill other people cuz then you piss them off and grief them to nihilum, the servers too small to make fun small pvp guilds cuz no1 to kill really, but if you're in nihilum you can kill every1 else. There's not a lot of nihilum on during the week so it's not as if I detagged that I suddenly would have tons of targets.

At the end of the day I don't get it. People talk about this being a big bad pvp server where pve is dumb and meaningless but yet they seem so concerned about what Nihilum does or does not do, how does them killing bosses affect your enjoyment of pvp server?

A valid point, touche. But it does not detract from the idea that many want a teams server or want to think about it.

Nor does our wanting a team server revolve around Nihilum. It could be quite possible that pvp here is stale for other reasons and that Nihilum is just a symptom of that staleness.

Yet the both you and Hippo fell into the trap of whether teams was going to affect Nihilum or not. You from the perspective of how Nihilum would effect teams and and Hipp how teams would effect Nihilum.

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, no one believes you. People are judged on their behavior in game. How many years have you been in Nihilum now? You've had absolutely no problem with not being able to attack 4/5ths of the populace in your range, so your attempt to feign that you suddenly care about this is comical.

Stinkium your rep is fine... I mean HB rep is pretty shot, almost as bad as Gloinzz was before and after apping. In concurance with Stinkum here.

[heartbrand]

cuz a lot of the reasons ive seen given for teams have been in order to avoid one big "zerg" guild

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like I said, no one believes you. People are judged on their behavior in game. How many years have you been in Nihilum now? You've had absolutely no problem with not being able to attack 4/5ths of the populace in your range for years now, so don't feign that you suddenly are concerned.

you can't have it both ways, you claim that during the week nihilum isnt on so we need variance but you claim that by being in nihilum I have no one to kill

[Velus]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dunno dawg I fought nihilum for over a year in multiple guilds, what's your credentials? I get more pvp in nihilum than I would outside of it atm. If you're not in nihilum you can't kill other people cuz then you piss them off and grief them to nihilum, the servers too small to make fun small pvp guilds cuz no1 to kill really, but if you're in nihilum you can kill every1 else. There's not a lot of nihilum on during the week so it's not as if I detagged that I suddenly would have tons of targets.

At the end of the day I don't get it. People talk about this being a big bad pvp server where pve is dumb and meaningless but yet they seem so concerned about what Nihilum does or does not do, how does them killing bosses affect your enjoyment of pvp server?

I have no knowledge of your "history" cause I'm new here, but it sounds like you don't get it because you've never quite experienced anything like what we're trying to describe.

I get the feeling, after having read MANY posts on these forums about R99, that this server is largly split into two categories. There's the PvE, and then there's the PvP. They both interact sometimes, but for the most part they are different... I'm assuming because this server has more strict PnP in place. People go about killing their raid targets (mostly Nihilum from what I understand), and sometimes people will go out looking for PvP.

On SZ the culture and game mentality was a bit different. In a way PvE was everyone's goal, but PvP was the thing you constantly did to prevent your opponents from being able to accomplish PvE. The PvP was an inherent part of PvE, and not at all a separate topic.

Because you always knew exactly who your enemies were, and exactly who your allies were, you never worried about "ticking anyone off".
As you yourself say, you find better fights as a member of Nihilum because you seemingly know exactly who your opponents are (i.e. non-Nihilum members).. well take that same dynamic and apply it to the hard coded teams. You also know exactly who your opponents are. You know who you should attack, and you don't have to stop and consider if you should attack them from fear of being black-listed or simply screwing yourself over in some unforeseen future consequence. You simply have the freedom to attack them without worrying about anything other than them calling some immediate friends in.

I guess all that can really be said now is that you haven't experienced what it was like first hand, and you just kinda have to trust those of us who did.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Velus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no knowledge of your "history" cause I'm new here, but it sounds like you don't get it because you've never quite experienced anything like what we're trying to describe.

I get the feeling, after having read MANY posts on these forums about R99, that this server is largly split into two categories. There's the PvE, and then there's the PvP. They both interact sometimes, but for the most part they are different... I'm assuming because this server has more strict PnP in place. People go about killing their raid targets (mostly Nihilum from what I understand), and sometimes people will go out looking for PvP.

On SZ the culture and game mentality was a bit different. In a way PvE was everyone's goal, but PvP was the thing you constantly did to prevent your opponents from being able to accomplish PvE. The PvP was an inherent part of PvE, and not at all a separate topic.

Because you always knew exactly who your enemies were, and exactly who your allies were, you never worried about "ticking anyone off".
As you yourself say, you find better fights as a member of Nihilum because you seemingly know exactly who your opponents are (i.e. non-Nihilum members).. well take that same dynamic and apply it to the hard coded teams. You also know exactly who your opponents are. You know who you should attack, and you don't have to stop and consider if you should attack them from fear of being black-listed or simply screwing yourself over in some unforeseen future consequence. You simply have the freedom to attack them without worrying about anything other than them calling some immediate friends in.

I guess all that can really be said now is that you haven't experienced what it was like first hand, and you just kinda have to trust those of us who did.

Exactamundo.

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can't have it both ways, you claim that during the week nihilum isnt on so we need variance but you claim that by being in nihilum I have no one to kill

I have always thought variance is a retarded idea so you are obviously mixing me up with someone else. Nice deflection though.