Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[mcappy]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, there were some big show-y examples made of blatant RMTers but the vast majority of it went unnoticed and eventually Sony even got in on the game with the Cash Store. Same thing with use of 3rd party programs. That got policed heavily while the orginal verant team was still there, but after a while they just stopped trying to enforce it. People would have to blatantly warp etc in the presence of a GM to even raise an eyebrow. Instead of stepping up efforts to fight it, Sony levelled the field some by adding Mercs. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Again, there are plenty of examples on non-Classic things here that are in place in an effort to be classic. The no-boxing rule is a great example. Boxing was entirely classic, but during classic it was not done to the extent that it was done later to the detriment of grouping. So we have an actively enforced no-boxing policy here. Bards were not mass AoE kiting, training people and disrupting normal play until much later eras. I'm simply arguing that it's not classic, because no one was doing it. Others would argue that it works against the health of the server.

And, again, you can't have it both ways. Logic, my friend. If bards can monopolize entire zones with kiting methods that, in practice, weren't happening during the classic era, then why can't we box, when that was?

Repectfully, your argument goes back and forth and makes no sense at all.

Two-boxing and RMT were against the rules, though. Just because they weren't as good at catching people or didn't want to invest the resources required doesn't mean it was 'classic'. I think they made two-boxing legal sometime in Luclin, but it may have been a bit earlier. They were even banning people for using WinEQ in the early days (remember the debacle when they probed your running processes and EQ folder for cheats and banned a bunch of WinEQ players?).

As far as bard AoE kiting goes, I'm not sure if it's "not classic" because it wasn't possible back then or if it's "not classic" because people didn't figure it out until a bit later. Swarm kiting was a big thing in Kunark (though it was usually TD raptors), but I don't recall ever seeing a bard AoE kite until PoP.

[Weekapaug]

Two boxing was never against the rules. Ever. The WinEQ thing was because it was a 3rd party program, not because it was being used to box. They eventually put in windowed mode and stopped enforcing the 3rd party rule on that particular application, even though they never really called it legal per-se. I suppose kind of like how they turn a blind eye to EMUs in general, now. It's not sanctioned, but they aren't exactly shutting them down either.

People charm kited but there were never the mass swarms or AoE kites until way after the scope of this server. I get into that more in a previous post.

[Galelor]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah, there were some big show-y examples made of blatant RMTers but the vast majority of it went unnoticed and eventually Sony even got in on the game with the Cash Store. Same thing with use of 3rd party programs. That got policed heavily while the orginal verant team was still there, but after a while they just stopped trying to enforce it. People would have to blatantly warp etc in the presence of a GM to even raise an eyebrow. Instead of stepping up efforts to fight it, Sony levelled the field some by adding Mercs. Etc. Etc. Etc.

This is not true, as they were still trying to enforce 3rd party program use rules. I knew several people that were banned, after mercs came out, for 3rd party use. One of my characters was also banned. There were not 'warp in front of gm' type offenses.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Galelor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not true, as they were still trying to enforce 3rd party program use rules. I knew several people that were banned, after mercs came out, for 3rd party use. One of my characters was also banned. There were not 'warp in front of gm' type offenses.

Well good on them if they stepped it up. While I've been back a few times just to check things out since mercs, I stopped playing for real just before mercs went in and there were MQers freaking everywhere. Got to be ridiculous how much of that was going on, really. Used to literally watch people warp across freaking PoK.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to get into a he said/she said, but all those things you have used as examples are non-examples. Variance is an attempt to simulate the patch/crash repop that happened on live and fortuitously helped to work against single-guild dominance back then. From what I hear it's probably going to be replaced with simulated server "patch" days so it's a moot point anyway.

RMT will never go away, but you better believe they pursued those who took part in it and banned accounts continually all through live. That's a horrible example to choose. No-boxing on a free server makes complete sense. It's a binary choice to have it or not. It's true lots of people boxed on classic, but then as they were paying for each account that was their perogative really (the spell checker tries to change that to "pRerogative" btw mods). In a situation where accounts are free and systems are capable of running multiple versions of the game (as opposed to having to fork out for separate systems and a fast enough connection etc. back in the day), there is really no other choice.

Saying "some semblance of classic" is just being sullen. The server is very close to classic, and that's the idea. That isn't going to change, and hopefully will get closer to classic as things go on, not further away. They aren't trying to correct any of the faults with the game, they are trying to recreate the classic experience on modern systems with modern bandwidth - and that's why we're all here. The game wasn't perfect in its original form, but it was what it was and that is part of the magic of it. That includes exploits and bugs, and imbalances - including low HP kiting (which I agree is absurd and I refuse to do it for that reason).

What is continually bemusing is how so many on the forums angrily put forward non-classic changes as if they are reasonable and "logical" (whatever that means in the context of recreation). It's a classic server. The things that aren't exact are being moved toward being more exact, not further away. Suggestions that are completely contradictory to that due to personal bugbears are downright silly. It doesn't matter what we like or don't like about classic mechanics, that's the mandate of the server.

And it's working, and I for one love it, problems and all.

To have classic bards they would have to lag them to death every time they agro'd more than 15-20 mobs. This bard shit is NOT classic.

[fastboy21]

considering the ddos history of p99, you can almost call it even.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by kaev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To have classic bards they would have to lag them to death every time they agro'd more than 15-20 mobs. This bard shit is NOT classic.

Yeah, you weren't going to kite 50 mobs on dialup trust me.

[Wudan]

the problem is with ppl like Xaylen who are pulling OT 10hrs a day. I mean take a fucking break and quit being a jerk to everyone else in the zone.

[Silent]

Originally Posted by menadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red must suck. All carebear reds do is post here....

wahhh someones taking up my entire zone and i cant do anything about it, reroll red stop crying. root/snare said kiter, problem solved, again. so glad i don't play blue, all those fte rules and poopsocking and whining over camp checks must suck. none of that on red, you take what you want.

[CharlesBarkley]

Originally Posted by Silent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

wahhh someones taking up my entire zone and i cant do anything about it, reroll red stop crying. root/snare said kiter, problem solved, again. so glad i don't play blue, all those fte rules and poopsocking and whining over camp checks must suck. none of that on red, you take what you want.

i'm sure thats worth a 50 person server