Would you participate in a server wide twitter based batphone for raid mobs? (poll)

[JayN]

Step one quit your fucking jobs, step two form gimp-a-tron and pilfer other guild's guildmates, step three farm soul-fires harder; step four scream at people to show up for raids theyll never ever get loot from. Step Five complete a few successful raids pilfer the bounties and repeat process!

Transatlantic Rampage MMO how to guide..... I knew this sounded familiar!

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really good suggestion, loraen.

The issue is that I'm not even quite sure where the leadership of FE falls on this topic of discussion. I mainly just posted this to kind of get a feel for what others thought. What I was hoping is that we could just literally form a coalition among the servers guilds.


Like you suggested you really only need like 6 to 8 people to be on point and aware of whats going on. What I was hoping for was that we could all have our own guilds who operate on their own as usual.

We could pick 2 to 3 targets per week to just have people in the coalition park out at. Since I'm sure most guilds that raid have a batphone, we can just organize a small batphone for each guilds representatives to join. Representatives will be responsible for sending the call out to their respective guilds and making sure that their guildies are parked at the right targets throughout the week

As far as tracking goes and rewarding folks/keeping track of contributions that's where things get complicated as you suggested. I like the idea you propose I'm just not really in a position to approve such a measure. Id really like to hear where other guilds stand on this idea.


I dont really see an easier way for more casual folks to get involved with end game raiding. The idea of zerging shit down sucks, but in my opinion for the folks who need epic peices or gear having to sacrifice RL shit to get those items is worse.

Really though there is so many ways to do this, could even work out a system for rotating which guild gets epic peices and that way they could distribute loot the way they want. Anyone else got some good suggestions that we could discuss further?

Tasslehof, why don't you talk to Morphius? He is doing exactly what loraen has suggested and was made an officer for this reason. Maybe you two can work together on getting it up and running. I'm down for the idea, but I believe every raider should be interviewed, prove they have the resist gear and what's needed to mobilize. I'm not giving some random Taken or whatever guilds member an epic just because they follow us around on raids. They better "DO DAMAGE!" and not be there to make our lives harder.

A group of unorganized part time scrubs with absolutely no real leadership, level, or gear would be worse than watching a fraps of TMO and FE competing on a daily basis. We cause enough trains on our own. Go Team Scrub would be raid banned every other raid.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1: i want to see how you can bind the meles in kc, without los.
2: you still dont fixt the fear issue.
3: you forgot lag and other troubles.
4: with no resist proper solid agro and in general someone to chew gore wich with slow will be hard as fuck.



maybe you dont remember the first gore free raid we had in this server was like 1 year or 2 years ago. before bda with the help of some tmo scrubs bored as fuck take it down.

u got a total of 120 player pug to wipe x2 at the ice cave .

Until there are scripted raid mobs this shit is put resist gear on and attack.... not real hard, anyone can do it. If people want to create strategy for simple mobs go for it.. binding under where you want to pull a dragon so you can bind rush is retarded but hey... if you suck you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until there are scripted raid mobs this shit is put resist gear on and attack.... not real hard, anyone can do it. If people want to create strategy for simple mobs go for it.. binding under where you want to pull a dragon so you can bind rush is retarded but hey... if you suck you gotta do what you gotta do.

dude your lack of xperience in everquest is so fun.

you speak of bind. u forgot meles cannot bind per se anywhere unlike casters and there is limits.

the resists, the famous resists,,,, resistsd dont work always and i doubt more than a 10% of a pug have even proper resists.


you speak of pulls have you pulled a dragon to a far away designated place?.

idk man i see you are just: numbers everything.

but as i pointed you i have seen 120+ players take in a mob like gore and wipe.in this server and u where one of them

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude your lack of xperience in everquest is so fun.

you speak of bind. u forgot meles cannot bind per se anywhere unlike casters and there is limits.

the resists, the famous resists,,,, resistsd dont work always and i doubt more than a 10% of a pug have even proper resists.


you speak of pulls have you pulled a dragon to a far away designated place?.

idk man i see you are just: numbers everything.

but as i pointed you i have seen 120+ players take in a mob like gore and wipe.in this server and u where one of them

There's a reason zerg guilds were constantly mocked during live - they get shit done in the most stupid/illegitimate of ways.

Serverwide batphone could clear all content in this game up to and including VP (if it weren't constantly trained by TMO, which lets be real it would be). Resists be damned, if you just send in waves after each fear, you'll pull the dps to drop any mob. Gore? Have all groups push in one direction, sending in a new wave of 25 people after each fear. Done. Who cares if 80 people die? The only objective worth discussing is "did the mob die?"

You use the exact same strats a real guild uses, you just send in a hundred undergeared people instead of 6 BIS rogues. Easy peasy.

Doraf talking like "undergeared scrubs" would be "carried" is laughable (no offense man, because you know I've got no hate for you at all). Everything counts in large amounts, as TMO proves any time there is a server repop. They've got the force to contest multiple mobs at once, and they get almost every mob as a result.

Edit: Personally, while I'd love to see the raid scene utterly turned on its head by this idea, I think the most legitimate, realistic option is the "unofficial FE member" route.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

dude your lack of xperience in everquest is so fun.

What is fun is you actually are convinced anything on p99 is hard besides just getting people to a mob before its down. Server-wide bat phone seems to be working on addressing that.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe you dont remember the first gore free raid we had in this server was like 1 year or 2 years ago. before bda with the help of some tmo scrubs bored as fuck take it down.

u got a total of 120 player pug to wipe x2 at the ice cave .

If you are talking about the Gore PUG from last winter (I think it was Christmas morning actually! NECKBEARD ALERT) we had about 15. I forget exactly who came but I think we had about five A-Team, and I also recruited Bringback from Divinity, Sentenza and Zagum from TMO on their wizards, Aata from Taken on her monk, and Slozem from Europa on his cleric (apologies to the people I forgot). We screwed up a little bit because our bard went AFK during the pull and Sakuragi got feared sans MR buffs, but we still managed to get her to 60-70% or so IIRC.

We were regrouping for round two when Eccezan showed up with 15+ TMO. He took over the raid by dint of his new force and spending more time in shout than anyone else. With our new players we got her to 80-90%, probably because he moved all of the wizards out of the bard group and they got shredded by the AOE. At that point we all drifted off to Christmas dinner.

[JayN]

PIPE DREAMS; keep on smoking those rocks you bi polar maniacs

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is fun is you actually are convinced anything on p99 is hard besides just getting people to a mob before its down. Server-wide bat phone seems to be working on addressing that.

hard? this easy man very very easy, back in the day figthing officers than a paladin could tank innoruck ct in potime was possible, these where fun and hard days

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are talking about the Gore PUG from last winter (I think it was Christmas morning actually! NECKBEARD ALERT) we had about 15. I forget exactly who came but I think we had about five A-Team, and I also recruited Bringback from Divinity, Sentenza and Zagum from TMO on their wizards, Aata from Taken on her monk, and Slozem from Europa on his cleric (apologies to the people I forgot). We screwed up a little bit because our bard went AFK during the pull and Sakuragi got feared sans MR buffs, but we still managed to get her to 60-70% or so IIRC.

We were regrouping for round two when Eccezan showed up with 15+ TMO. He took over the raid by dint of his new force and spending more time in shout than anyone else. With our new players we got her to 80-90%, probably because he moved all of the wizards out of the bard group and they got shredded by the AOE. At that point we all drifted off to Christmas dinner.

Nah it happened around same time some stupid have no better idea than post rl pics of coldblooded and such.