In Defense of the Paladin

[Splorf22]

Save let me play his paladin for a bit today. I think they are pretty solid for xp groups. Great aggro, dps is better than advertised (with the epic 40-45 compared to sakuragi at ~60-65). But most importantly when the shit hits the fan you have root, stun, and heal which give you a lot of flexibility. Warriors hit the taunt key and pray. And in the worst case you have 90% xp rez. If paladins got defensive disc or something close, they would be fine as is. If they got defensive disc and their velious enhancements, they'd be excellent. As is, they are great group tanks and kinda worthless on raids.

[Kevynne]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Save let me play his paladin for a bit today. I think they are pretty solid for xp groups. Great aggro, dps is better than advertised (with the epic 40-45 compared to sakuragi at ~60-65). But most importantly when the shit hits the fan you have root, stun, and heal which give you a lot of flexibility. Warriors hit the taunt key and pray. And in the worst case you have 90% xp rez. If paladins got defensive disc or something close, they would be fine as is. If they got defensive disc and their velious enhancements, they'd be excellent. As is, they are great group tanks and kinda worthless on raids.

Backup heals +LH on raids.

On raids they heal the sameq as a Druid or shaman.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Paladins suck in Velious also. They just can't kill anything there also. If they are the only DPS in your group you are in for a LONG ass fight. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I bet at some point, somewhere, a hybrid brutally murdered your family...

[senna]

Originally Posted by Lorraine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I bet at some point, somewhere, a hybrid brutally murdered your family...

That guy posts garbage about velious like it was his job

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by senna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That guy posts garbage about velious like it was his job

It is not garbage. Velious mobs have a LOT more HP than Kunark mobs, so if you can't kill shit on one now what changes in Velious?? Better gear and weapons, every class gets that. Why are they the LEAST played class on here? They just suck at DPS.

They make pretty good pullers in Velious and not bad assisting the Main tank. But they have no good damage midigation like a Warrior or Monk so they get the crap beat out of them.

I KNOW a lot about Velious because I have played this game nonstop since the very beginning of 2000. I play P1999, Live, EQMac and the Sleeper server right now. I am retired and play 12 to 14 hours a day. I sort of know a little bit about EQ, It is the only game I play. I have a Paladin on every server I play. So I know what they can and can not do.

[Lorraine]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not garbage. Velious mobs have a LOT more HP than Kunark mobs, so if you can't kill shit on one now what changes in Velious?? Better gear and weapons, every class gets that. Why are they the LEAST played class on here? They just suck at DPS.

They make pretty good pullers in Velious and not bad assisting the Main tank. But they have no good damage midigation like a Warrior or Monk so they get the crap beat out of them.

I KNOW a lot about Velious because I have played this game nonstop since the very beginning of 2000. I play P1999, Live, EQMac and the Sleeper server right now. I am retired and play 12 to 14 hours a day. I sort of know a little bit about EQ, It is the only game I play. I have a Paladin on every server I play. So I know what they can and can not do.

You make no sense. What matters if Velious mobs have a lot more HP than Kunark mobs? So did in Luclin and in Planes of Powers and on and on... A paladins job has never been and will never be to DPS. It is to tank. And in a group setting, I AM the best TANK that you can have. Why? Because I can pull AND hold agro on mutliple mobs while the shaman is cycling through them and Malo/Slow them one by one. Or the enchanter debuffs and mezzes them at his leisure. And I can do all that without holding any weapons what so ever. Can I survive through such a pull? Hell yea I can, if my Cleric is a baller, I don't even have to use my own cooldowns too.

Why people don't play them? Because the have an exp penalty. And like all melee classes they are gear dependent. So quite a lot of them give up on paladins (like a lot of hybrids) half way through.
Why hybrids have a bad name? It's because of people who decide it's time to play one, and not even bother to research/observe what the class can do. They believe that by strapping on a fungi and some dragon haste, along with a 30k weapon, they can breeze through content and have constant group invites because they are beastly tanks (for knight classes), DPS (for rangers), or Utility (for bards). Well, it kinda doesn't work like that, because as it has been said countless times here, mob difficulty scales quite faster than the gear you actually got by spending a couple hundred Ks platinum.


TL ; DR Your negativity is what's wrong with the treatment hybrids are getting here. Take a look at people who played paladins or rangers or bards as their MAINS back in Beta/Classic and have stuck with them all the way through Velious/SoL/PoP and so on. These veterans are what defines the class. Not the idiot who just trained your CE group in Mistmoore cause he's wearing better gear than 99% of the rest of the classes on the server.

[webrunner5]

Then if you are the Tank and can't DPS like you said who is going to kill the mobs, the Cleric? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your post just mirrored what I said in my post.

A Iksar Monk has a 44% XP penalty and guess what tons of people play them. Your funny.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then if you are the Tank and can't DPS like you said who is going to kill the mobs, the Cleric? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Your post just mirrored what I said in my post.

A Iksar Monk has a 44% XP penalty and guess what tons of people play them. Your funny.

Did you know that a group is composed of more than a tank and a cleric?

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you know that a group is composed of more than a tank and a cleric?

[Nirgon]

Paladins are the best tank for anything that doesn't require defensive imo