Nuffwin <Bregan D'Aerth> Known Ninja Looter Strikes Again

[White Ranger]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hehehehehe

[juliar0berts]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Love it! BDA can suck it!

[Archalen]

grown ass men arguing elf politics, wewt

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) the logs should be proof enough when you consider point #2

2) you're right, 4 minutes is the proper time a pull should take, which is why it's puzzling that Taken pulled but had not yet engaged, and only after we tagged 4 minutes later did the fish start his 4+ minute dash to ogre island - thus the 9 minutes between Taken "FtE" and a raid force legitimately engaging the target which is double the amount of time it should have taken (heh). It could have been even longer had our pullers not found Fay.

3) that quote is from one of your guides - so either one can conclude that BDA isn't a raid guild thus we had no idea (that's a softball for the trolls) or these new standards weren't made public for all parties.

I only want an even playing field and right now it seems like the rules are changing every other day. I distinctly remember FE getting FTE on Cazic with a solo wizard and TMO killed him, but TMO kept the loot - same circumstances (FTE rules all!) different results. I know you/your staff have limited tools to work with but that's an easy call to make, it's blatant kiting.

[White Ranger]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA isn't a raid guild thus we had no idea

You should really start all your posts this way.

[Funkutron5000]

I agree on FTE sniping being shitty but it is hard to tell what way anything will be ruled at a given raid (FTE> all, or FTE with some room for discretion if it's determined the a viable engage wasn't going to happen). FTE shouts have definitely made things a lot easier to tell.

I can also see the issue for BDA here with the way the Fay pull works. If they had no clue Fay had been tagged and didn't see the Fish on the way to the island, How in the world would they know it had been tagged 4 minutes prior? You'd hope that with a competing raid force in zone the puller would at least have the wherewithal to turn North and at least start running towards Ogre Island.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ephi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure I know the incident you're talking about, and if so, I ruled on it, and awarded loot to TMO because it was obvious the wizard (a gnome IIRC) was FTE sniping.

And it was absolutely the right call. They shouldn't have been awarded the kill based on some bullshit FTE snipe. That's why sirken's ruling irked, me because of the words "removing rational thought." Taken had no intention of pulling the mob so soon because they were rezzing, they didn't even let us know that it was tagged (which we promptly notified them as soon as we tagged) and had only 4 people on the engage list overall (3 of which only for the last 2 seconds Fay was alive)

If we're removing all rational thought, then lets say that. It makes staff life easier because you just look at a log, assign loot, and ignore everything else - but don't expect me to stomach that ruling after we played by the rules only to be told the rules were changed but weren't informed.

[getsome]

If this occurred post shout, then your initially puller should have known someone else had agro, and petitioned properly if Fay was suspected of being kited.

[Funkutron5000]

I think the FTE shout has the range of a /say, but I'm not sure. If that's the case, it would definitely be easy to miss.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If this occurred post shout, then your initially puller should have known someone else had agro, and petitioned properly if Fay was suspected of being kited.

Our ranger put an arrow into him that missed from max bow range and the fish came directly for him, we didnt see a message but assumed that he was just too far out of range to see it considering that Fay didn't hesitate to chase our puller. We didn't peel it with a mallet or something, and Fay was near firepots at the time of the pull and wasn't heading north. All signs pointed to a clean engage.