Game Mechanics: Should not be able to complete epics before 45

[Nirgon]

Epic quests bout to require an epic quest

[Ele]

Early parts of the shaman epic, at least, appear to be doable before 45/46. Several people in this thread discuss getting through the shield at 29 and 33:

http://web.archive.org/web/200107162...&f=46&t=000145


Also seems there was an issue Pre-Velious(?) about inflating faction too high to cause the quest NPCs to not allow you to advance or repeat steps.
http://web.archive.org/web/200107162...&f=46&t=000216

They fixed the too-good faction problem several months ago.

[Ele]

Enchanters:

July 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/200107091...&f=17&t=000507

I'm having trouble getting started on this thing.
When I talk with Stofo or Reania they tell me "that my skills are not enough" or something like it. I'm 47th level. Shouldn't that be high enough to start the first phase of the quest?

Monks start theirs at 1st level.

I have heard about everything from 45 to 52, but I got this message up until when I ding'd 50. The stofo would talk to me.

Since you have the walkthrough, you can start earlier, but the earliest that stofo will talk to you is level 50.
This means that the earliest you can complete it, is level 50.

[Calabee]

wut about all the low levels that already got epiced, are they gonna get ''blue diamoned'' until they are of level, or?

[Legend]

should put a "level requirment on all epic items" would be very very easy to code

go through the epic item list for all classes

put required lvl 50

every epic will become un equipped and the char with the item will not be able to equip it till their 50th lvl

[Legend]

lvl 6 monk in east commons with epic fists... pretty classic

[pasi]

Ignoring epics for a second, when did we first see any form of level-restricted turn ins on EQlive? I'm not even sure that this mechanic even existed until Luclin/PoP. I think a lot of people claiming epics could not be done back then are confusing NPCs talking with the actual turn in.

EQ Mac:

100k is good for such an easy epic. I recently did a full MQ of a monk epic to a level 7 monk (he's now level 30 and still can't click, what a gyp)!

Also live:

You are wrong, just come to Tunare and as Xianzu to to log on his level 1 Epic 1.0'd monk. So I am talking from personal experience here.

Here is a thread from 2003 on monkly-business
http://www.monkly-business.net/forum...ead.php?t=8028

the lowest lvl monk ive seen with his epic was 38. pissed me off heh

The lvl caps are just for the text, but if you got all the items you can turn in and MQ etc.

I've been trying to find the thread on innoruuk.yuku but we had someone epic a level 20 shaman in Shadows of Luclin.

From Samanna:

Note: There is no level restriction for the shaman epic quest. However, you do have to be level 46 to enter the Plane of Fear to get the tear. One can get around this by just having another shaman turn in the tear for them and then looting the scale (keep in mind that only a shaman can turn in the tear). If you are doing this, make sure you have maxed out your True Spirit faction beforehand using the above method.

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Still willing to change any of these to required level, more faction, etc based on research.

Ragebringer.. does everyone agree you shouldn't be able to trade with Stanos until 50?


Research and the nerfs will come.

No.
EQMac:

You need to be 50 to start the quest, though technically a level 50+ toon can summon Stanos for you, but it's touch & go as to whether a sub-50 toon can complete the handins (I've heard he'll eat handins from under-levelled toons). Just get to 50 if you want to be safe.

followed by the next post

was using Ragebringer at 48.

Now I highlighted the name Xianzu earlier. He's a guy who was known for having a bunch of level 1s with epic 1.0s. Here's a post from him:

Other than the Berserker & Beastlord epics, none of the others had a hard coded level that you had to be, in order to do them. Some like Druid & Ranger have faction req's lessened once you hit a certain level though. Though in order to do this, one had to get someone to multi-quest the drops from the planes. If you don't multi-quest then the min level is 46 to complete most of them. But you can start doing the sub quests at most any level.

https://forums.station.sony.com/eq/i...-project.3340/

[pasi]

So shaman and monk epic are off the list.

Here goes cleric:

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/c...55067242451765

completed mine at 36

A friend of mine on Antonius Bayle successfully finished the cleric 1.0 at level 8. (MAJOR help and farming from his level 75 SK and 75 Druid/Beastloard trio)

So it can be done, if you have the patience =)

The Avatar of Water will not take the turn in until 35, that is lowest you can be for the Cleric Epic ( the effect cannot be used until 50 )

A bit of conflicting info here!

EQCleric.com:

Last I knew, you can do all the work and the turn-ins and get your epic at any level, but the clicky doesn't click until you're 50

Is there a minimum level required to do this quest?

Nope, but you can't use the clickie until 46 or 51 I believe. I dont' remember exactly. For fun we completed the epic for a friend of mine's 33 cleric. So it can be done any level, but you have to be a certain level to actually use it. Hope that helps.

If you have people willing to help you through it, you can get and equip it at lvl 1 (unless they changed something within the last year [post date 2006] or so). You won't be able to click the effect until 50 or 51 though.

EQclerics.org
Post Date 6/06/01

I did it at 34

Ok, so my enchanter did. Multiquested the boring camps all the way up to ragefire (including handing in the pearl) for a guild cleric. (both goblins spawned 2x in a row on my quest, so I had an extra set of items)

Another interesting post about 'why people say level 50 is the minimum level for epics.
http://www.eqclerics.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3409

It comes from the fact that the quest givers (when everyone bothered to talk to them to figure out the quests) would not talk to anyone under level 50.

[pasi]

Sort of late, didn't intend to be posting so much so it's a bit disorganized.

There's a metric fuckton more information suggesting that epics can be MQd, but I don't want to spam this thread even more. I'm mostly looking into the 4 epics that realistically see play on low levels here, but there are posts on other epics being done at low levels.

On a side note, I think a lot of you are giving way too much credit to the programming of the game during this era. I quested a monk epic on my SK for the fuck of it. I think we're confusing the minimum level to talk to an NPC versus a turn-in here.

But anyhow, unlike Cleric/Monk/Shaman there's a lot of conflicting information about the rogue epic.

http://www.thesafehouse.org/forums//...hp?t-8890.html

I've seen it confirmed for level 50, but has it been tried lower? Can anyone *confirm* you have to be 50, or could you possibly do it at 46 (when you can enter Hate to get the book). Has anyone actually ever heard of a 46-49 Rogue trying it and NOT receiving Ragebringer?

Yes, it has been done in the past, and yes, the items will get eaten. You may be able to do some of the prep work for it, but I strongly advice against doing the final turn in, and any crutial earlier turn in, until you are 50.

Weird, you should have told me level 47 rogue that before he successfully got his Ragebringer.

I believe you can do the last turn in as a mq pre-50, but I wouldn't risk it.

If you follow the quest through, from start to finish, WITHOUT and MQ's, then you will HAVE to be 50 to initiate the dialogue with a number of the NPCs.

If you bend the rules a bit and MQ the items, it just depends on which NPCs you may MQ with; some of them will steal 'eat' the items if both the MQ'ers involved are not 50.

Anyhow, I'll further look into rogue epic and try to turn in one on live or something in the near future. It'd be preferable to try it on EQmac, but I don't have characters there.

[Nirgon]

Pasi you can spam and I will read