When does Canni become more effcient then a Manastone (Hp/Mana ratio wise)

[Aaron]

Cannibalize I (LVL 24): consume 50 hp, gain 19-30 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.66 to 2.63 hp:mana)
Cannibalize II (LVL 38): consume 67 hp, gain 30-42 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.60 to 2.23 hp:mana)
Cannibalize III (LVL 54): consume 100 hp, gain 39-47 Mana (conversion ratio is 2.13 to 2.56 hp:mana)
Cannibalize IV (LVL 58): consume 148 hp, gain 81-82 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.80 to 1.83 hp:mana)

[newsmurf]

use manastone until u get canni2

[enr4ged]

Here you go this will help you visualize and compare the differences between the Canni spells.

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[Tasslehofp99]

So which canni spell is the most efficient? That graph is confusing me.

[Adolphus]

Canni 2

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Adolphus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Canni 2

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

[Adolphus]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

Something I've been asking myself for a long, long time. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Kiwaukee]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

Time to full mana is the difference. Cann2 is a little more efficient, but Cann4 is much better for slamming out a bar as quickly as possible. Also, efficiency becomes less useful when you have more regen than the hp you're eating or when someone else is healing you.

Cann2 returns 36 mana at level 60, with a 1.25 second cast time and 2.25 second recast. With a max of 2000 mana (for math's sake), it takes 56 casts to go from 0 to full. 56 casts takes 196 seconds.

Cann4 returns 82 mana at level 60, with a 2.5 second cast time and 3 second recast. With the same mana pool, it takes 25 casts to get from 0 to full. 25 casts takes 137.5 seconds.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is what I thought looking at the graph, but what is the point of having "upgraded" canni spells if they are less efficient? I guess ill have to quest canni 2 for my sham.

As Kiwaukee described, Shamans (particularly at 60 with Torpor) often find that their major limiting factor is time rather than hit points. It's a very busy class. The higher ranks of Canni might be somewhat less efficient on a per-hit point basis but allow the user to convert significantly more hit points per unit of time, hence gaining mana more rapidly overall.

Note that Canni4 is a Velious spell and hence isn't currently available.

Danth

[phobus]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cannibalize I (LVL 24): consume 50 hp, gain 19-30 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.66 to 2.63 hp:mana)
Cannibalize II (LVL 38): consume 67 hp, gain 30-42 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.60 to 2.23 hp:mana)
Cannibalize III (LVL 54): consume 100 hp, gain 39-47 Mana (conversion ratio is 2.13 to 2.56 hp:mana)
Cannibalize IV (LVL 58): consume 148 hp, gain 81-82 Mana (conversion ratio is 1.80 to 1.83 hp:mana)

FYI, this is way off for Cannibalize II, at least. At 59, it returns 32 mana while Cannibalize III returns 47.