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[Cykubis]

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I figured since this was a 10 year old game most of the people playing now would be adults. Man.. this thread sure proves that wrong.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Xzerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As I have told many of you I am trying to stay neutral because of my status. However the perception I have observed and heard about the work it out yourselves attitude is that nothing will ever be decided on because transcendence has what they want so why would they want to change it.

Allizia, someone brought up an idea to you to try and appease both guilds that offered equal opportunity to both. The fact that you chose to ignore it...whether you agree or not reinforced the perception I have seen. As a show of good faith please respond with your thoughts. IB and the GMs both do NOT want a rotation, several IB members have suggested several systems to compromise. Other than hasbin's pvp system I have not seen a comment from anyone representing Transendence that has made an attempt at solving the rotation issue. (I could have missed them).

I've been silent on all of it, since RL has taken away about 95% of my play time and I'm not actively involved in any raiding from either side.

Here's another history lesson:

1. ) People whine about every little thing that's happened on this server since day one. GMs largely ignore everything.

2. ) Transcendence gets wronged in some way or another, the whole Nag/Tumpy/Whatever happens and Trans's complaints go largely ignored.

3. ) IB has a bad week. People like Reiker and Hasb and Dart swing on here and raise *HELL* and are mystified when things don't change instantly and the powers that be largely seem to not care (which is *the* precendent that has been set since launch about all issues that aren't hardware/coding/serverfixy stuff, just like real EQ).

It's a simple timeline issue. The overwhelming sense of entitlement that Reiker and Co. have is the most laughable part of it all, and why everyone is silently laughing instead of publicly debating/negotiating/bantering with a brick wall.

It's not a matter of who exproited what or who's killing what or who's turn it is to tie their planar shoes, it's the simple fact that folks like Reiker make us giggle with how livid they get that the GMs/rest of the server doesn't seem to be completely and utterly incensed and sprung into action if he's not having a grand day frolicking about norrath.

THAT is the real issue here. THAT is why Nil put this thread up, and THAT is why nothing is getting done. From Reiker to Magic to Me to Tantalar to Whomever, there has *always* been someone having a bad day/week and handled it so utterly poorly that they never got the fair shake they believed they deserved to plead their case.

A little humility and grattitude to those who brought this headache/greatest thing since sliced bread to us in the first place would go a *long* way. You catch more flies with honey as opposed to vinegar, and I've bounced at many a club in my lifetime.. Believe me, raising your voice and getting profane with large people in position of authority, in the history of mankind, has never gotten people what they wanted.

Each 'constructive' thread since this began has started with this:

Reiker "Everyone needs to pay attention to me! My concerns are important! Why aren't gms breaking out rubber kneepads and servicing me instantly?"

Supreme "I hate you"

Hasbinbad "<this is a recording> Transcendence is a zerg guild. P.S. IB has better equipment! <this has been a recording>"

Dartagnan "Hey, i'm entitled to things! I got to 50 eventually! We're really skilled."

Nizarr "Rabble Rabble"

Karsten "I'm either going to say something really funny or really off topic.. stay tuned"

Penoy "IB cheats too!"

Wonton "Shadddup Penoy. BTW - I agree with Reiker that 95% of my enjoyment comes from depriving and griefing others"

Allizia "What was I responding to, again?"

Bubbles "Bunnies!"

Pretty much all of it kinda evolves into the same thread, with Xzerion and Wenai taking turns getting heat for whatever reason.



Bottom line is this: You can state your case all you want, but you'll never force people to care about you.You simply can't expect anyone else to place importance on what's affecting your enjoyment of the game, and all the mindless bitch fest does is get Nilbog and Co. closer and closer to pulling the plug entirely or turning the server private.

Which means zero dragons and planes for everyone.


We could disable GUILDS entirely. That would sure be an interesting variable change in this equation.

Or we could just wipe the server entirely and start over, call this beta 2, and pray most of the angry nerdragers move on to EZ or TZ or Diablo3 or whatever. I'd gladly delete all my characters and start over if I could surround myself with people on a server who could show each other some common effing decency.

[Reiker]

(MM is excluded, GM's were there for game mechanic issues, not guild drama)

Funny, because Transcendence was whining to Secrets to move my character cause they didn't want me watching you guys fight the (broken) MM.

I also don't get why my name is getting mentioned negatively so often. I posted a video of Transcendence exploiting and a few replies agreeing that rotation is stupid. I'm not exactly "raising hell" but whatever.

[Dartagnan]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been silent on all of it, since RL has taken away about 95% of my play time and I'm not actively involved in any raiding from either side.

Here's another history lesson:

1. ) People whine about every little thing that's happened on this server since day one. GMs largely ignore everything.

2. ) Transcendence gets wronged in some way or another, the whole Nag/Tumpy/Whatever happens and Trans's complaints go largely ignored.

3. ) IB has a bad week. People like Reiker and Hasb and Dart swing on here and raise *HELL* and are mystified when things don't change instantly and the powers that be largely seem to not care (which is *the* precendent that has been set since launch about all issues that aren't hardware/coding/serverfixy stuff, just like real EQ).

It's a simple timeline issue. The overwhelming sense of entitlement that Reiker and Co. have is the most laughable part of it all, and why everyone is silently laughing instead of publicly debating/negotiating/bantering with a brick wall.

It's not a matter of who exproited what or who's killing what or who's turn it is to tie their planar shoes, it's the simple fact that folks like Reiker make us giggle with how livid they get that the GMs/rest of the server doesn't seem to be completely and utterly incensed and sprung into action if he's not having a grand day frolicking about norrath.

THAT is the real issue here. THAT is why Nil put this thread up, and THAT is why nothing is getting done. From Reiker to Magic to Me to Tantalar to Whomever, there has *always* been someone having a bad day/week and handled it so utterly poorly that they never got the fair shake they believed they deserved to plead their case.

A little humility and grattitude to those who brought this headache/greatest thing since sliced bread to us in the first place would go a *long* way. You catch more flies with honey as opposed to vinegar, and I've bounced at many a club in my lifetime.. Believe me, raising your voice and getting profane with large people in position of authority, in the history of mankind, has never gotten people what they wanted.

Each 'constructive' thread since this began has started with this:

Reiker "Everyone needs to pay attention to me! My concerns are important! Why aren't gms breaking out rubber kneepads and servicing me instantly?"

Supreme "I hate you"

Hasbinbad "<this is a recording> Transcendence is a zerg guild. P.S. IB has better equipment! <this has been a recording>"

Dartagnan "Hey, i'm entitled to things! I got to 50 eventually! We're really skilled."

Nizarr "Rabble Rabble"

Karsten "I'm either going to say something really funny or really off topic.. stay tuned"

Penoy "IB cheats too!"

Wonton "Shadddup Penoy. BTW - I agree with Reiker that 95% of my enjoyment comes from depriving and griefing others"

Allizia "What was I responding to, again?"

Bubbles "Bunnies!"

Pretty much all of it kinda evolves into the same thread, with Xzerion and Wenai taking turns getting heat for whatever reason.



Bottom line is this: You can state your case all you want, but you'll never force people to care about you.You simply can't expect anyone else to place importance on what's affecting your enjoyment of the game, and all the mindless bitch fest does is get Nilbog and Co. closer and closer to pulling the plug entirely or turning the server private.

Which means zero dragons and planes for everyone.


We could disable GUILDS entirely. That would sure be an interesting variable change in this equation.

Or we could just wipe the server entirely and start over, call this beta 2, and pray most of the angry nerdragers move on to EZ or TZ or Diablo3 or whatever. I'd gladly delete all my characters and start over if I could surround myself with people on a server who could show each other some common effing decency.

And we have you and others misrepresenting what we are saying. You're spreading distortions.

I never said I am entitled to anything. If you worked hard to be ahead of the curve and then someone took all of that away I would think you would be disappointed. I have never said once that I should basically walk into the room and have things handed to me because I am 50. That's entitlement. But to take away IB's advantage because the guild earned that advantage is not fair. Trans or any guild could work hard to take that advantage away.

I mean it's like football during the season. If a team is good at the game and beats the other teams they have an advantage. It's like Wenai wiped away all our hard work during the season and put the playoffs on rotation.

Of course you guys want to distort things. Of course you guys want to remain silent on this rotation issue. You get want you want this way and get to stick the knife into the players of IB at the same time for being the top guild. It puts you guys in the position to then be the top guild yourselves.

[Dartagnan]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny, because Transcendence was whining to Secrets to move my character cause they didn't want me watching you guys fight the (broken) MM.

I also don't get why my name is getting mentioned negatively so often. I posted a video of Transcendence exploiting and a few replies agreeing that rotation is stupid. I'm not exactly "raising hell" but whatever.

The more they can distort your image the more people they can get to bring down the "big guys." Then they themselves can establish themselves where we were.

It's a coup d'état man! A coup d'état.

[Reiker]

lol Dartagnan CALM DOWN BRO THIS IS EQ IT ISNT CHILI

[Dartagnan]

I think Trans took over Chili [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wonton]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been silent on all of it, since RL has taken away about 95% of my play time and I'm not actively involved in any raiding from either side.

this isn't true.. so

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wonton "Shadddup Penoy. BTW - I agree with Reiker that 95% of my enjoyment comes from depriving and griefing others."

this isn't true either, so stfu. when you lie does the number 95 come into your mind?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Dartagnan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And we have you and others misrepresenting what we are saying. You're spreading distortions.

I never said I am entitled to anything. If you worked hard to be ahead of the curve and then someone took all of that away I would think you would be disappointed. I have never said once that I should basically walk into the room and have things handed to me because I am 50. That's entitlement. But to take away IB's advantage because the guild earned that advantage is not fair. Trans or any guild could work hard to take that advantage away.

Oh, it's happened before. I remember distinctly being at least 8 levels above any other cleric on the server (besides Almeda). Then "SolA" happened. And poof there was suddenly a surge of levels 50s, who celebrated by zoning into Lower Guk for the first time. The SolA ZEM was lolbad, and the 'fix' for it was to crank up the ZEM in every other dungeon to match the horribly distorted ZEM of SolA and turn this into EZ server. Now everyone is 50 and their allt is nearing 50 and everything is so darn trivialized that there is nothing *left* to do but whine and complain about raid encounters and GM interactions and whatever.

But don't step up to me and claim I don't know what it's like to be uber one day and watching powerlessly as others take an easy road to catch up.. Been there, and DONE THAT. And since a vast majority of this issue is based upon two guilds who artificially grabbed power via broken zones, broken mobs, whacked ZEMs, retardedly OP'd rogue dps/Pet Classes/Enchanter spells... Sped thru the majority of what made EQ enjoyable, and now get to scream at each other on a message board 24/7... welll..

That's your loss. I never joined this server in hopes that I could relive EQVault and rotations and infighting and pissing contests and the general douchebaggery that happens on this server. I understand 100% what Nilbog is saying about how he doesn't even want to play here. We've taken a flame thrower to the Garden of Eden and are now fighting over table scraps.

I mean it's like football during the season. If a team is good at the game and beats the other teams they have an advantage. It's like Wenai wiped away all our hard work during the season and put the playoffs on rotation.

In football the two teams actually play each other, this is more like fantasy football since it's all comparisons and stats. But I get where you are coming from, believe me I do. We never even got a central figure to hate on for the SolA/Zem disaster, which is probably where a bunch of the animosity toward Xzerion (unfairly) came from, since he benefitted from it.

Of course you guys want to distort things. Of course you guys want to remain silent on this rotation issue. You get want you want this way and get to stick the knife into the players of IB at the same time for being the top guild. It puts you guys in the position to then be the top guild yourselves.

I'm not interested in distorting anything. Ask anyone from your guild or mine. I don't even play much anymore, and I certainly don't have the chunks of time to raid. Ask Jify or Wonton or Karsten or Blaine or tons of others in your crew, i'm about as neutral a voice as you are going to hear, since those not involved simply don't care.

Don't assume you know what *I* want, I've always been on record for calling this Beta 2 and doing complete wipes to start all over again. The only real joy in this game is the grind and carrot in front of you while you struggle. Not so much the grind, but the people and the friendships you make along the way. The adventures, the close calls, the tradeskilling. If there's one thing i didn't miss from EQ circa 1999, it was all this bickering and nonsense over raids and planes that drop gear that's 99% obsolete come Kunark anyways.

I wish you the best of luck in your pursuit of happiness and the resolution of these issues. I just worry that no matter what happens, nothing is going to make the majority of you miserable fuckers happy. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]