Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Internet is a big world, don't limit your choices [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When my daughter is watching Disney, Choo Choo Sex is all the choice I get.

And I don't speak for Nietche, he is more than capable of speaking for himself. And of course I don't speak for TMO, but I am a voice of one of the regular members who has been around a while. We spent many hours attempting pulls, recovering from trains, recovering from trained CRs, etc. It accomplished one thing... hardened our determination. It also made us care less when people complain about getting "a fair share".

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Years? Membluring lasted a couple of months.

In game years

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and you are saying 'turn into a douchebag or don't bother coming to the table.' Which is it?

Wat?

[kaev]

Poll is flawed. After reading thread it is clear that a third option is necessary:
"I've got no dog in this hunt (because I could never be so cruel to my dog.)"

[Tasslehofp99]

The response to this poll is astounding, in my opinion. But maybe I'm just biased because I feel that this is an important discussion.

A major theme I've noticed is people's unwillingness to bury the past and move forward for the greater good of the server.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The response to this poll is astounding, in my opinion. But maybe I'm just biased because I feel that this is an important discussion.

A major theme I've noticed is people's unwillingness to bury the past and move forward for the greater good of the server.

Irony defined

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Training or PvP.
The people screaming neither are either
1. Noob or
2. just want to see sleeper woken so they can quit , so fuck them.
Make VP/Sleepers PvP if people want to bitch about training.
Fuck training imo its the worse way to kill others BUT it is the only way to protect the sleeper unless. You make these zones PvP an it would be a lot better and a lot more fun.
But neither is the worse way to go, NO train + NO PvP = Sleeper woken and a ton of drama mixed in.
Staff (at the least Sirken) would be down with PvP these zones but the community will not have it and are in to carebear mode, so enjoy the trains or beg for PvP because having neither is idiotic.
You want no training and no PvP Tassle? It will be no warders/drama in Velious if thats what you want. Or you down for PvP

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Turp_SmokinPurp [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training or PvP.
The people screaming neither are either
1. Noob or
2. just want to see sleeper woken so they can quit , so fuck them.
Make VP/Sleepers PvP if people want to bitch about training.
Fuck training imo its the worse way to kill others BUT it is the only way to protect the sleeper unless. You make these zones PvP an it would be a lot better and a lot more fun.
But neither is the worse way to go, NO train + NO PvP = Sleeper woken and a ton of drama mixed in.
Staff (at the least Sirken) would be down with PvP these zones but the community will not have it and are in to carebear mode, so enjoy the trains or beg for PvP because having neither is idiotic.
You want no training and no PvP Tassle? It will be no warders/drama in Velious if thats what you want. Or you down for PvP

I just want no training, but if that's the only way to ensure the sleeper isn't awoken I probably wont be playing during velious on p99 anyway. If ST was PVP flagged that may be a more viable/fun/entertaining fix to the situation. However this thread is about Veeshan's peak since velious is still a ways off.

But to say training is going to guarantee the sleeper wont be awoken? That's just stupidity and ignorance. If its already possible to derail trains in VP and take dragons down, as has been proven, then training is not going to be effective enough to prevent the waking of the sleeper anyway. If those who want to wake the sleeper are driven enough they will have 20-30 people waiting to derail any possible trains, and its possible to do so completely and indeffinetly in any zone.

The problem is training itself doesn't belong in EQ raiding. Sure, it happens occasionaly unintentional or intentionally. Its just a way for people to grief others and turn p99 into a bigger timesink than it has to be. Or as some others have stated its a form of meta-pvp or whatever you wanna call it.

We can run around this thread in circles but simply put there is no reason for sanctioned training in any zone on EQ, it wasn't permitted on live and it shouldn't be on emulated servers either. Obviously from looking at the poll numbers a good portion of people feel this way.

[quido]

Help Tasslehof get more loot - vote yes.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Help Tasslehof get more loot - vote yes.

I already said if it makes TMO members feel better, I'd delete my VP key before any rule changes were enforced. This isn't about one player or one guild Jeremy. Fortunately for some(unfortunately, for others) the players don't decide the rules on this server, atleast I'd like to hope they don't.

My take on this is that once TMO's chokehold ends on kunark raid content that a new, better, ruleset should be in place so that the other guilds don't have to shit on eachother the way guilds have in the past under the current rules. That is assuming TMO is unwilling to negotiate over any new rules that are less asinine. It's fairly simple, really. I just want more a more fair set of rules which encourage competition, not discourage it.