Players will always compete for raid mobs; the point of contention is the rules

[Sarius]

The point is that training is a dumb rule and should not be allowed in any zone, period.

[Elizabetha]

Originally Posted by Fountree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's nothing classic about the entire server having the ability to raid VP.

I love it.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, the bottom line here is that this is a people problem, not a rules problem.

The rules greatly influence both the type of people who will thrive in the environment and the actions of the people.

[spoils]

miss u orruar

[radditsu]

231,000 search results for Veeshan's Peak training, and not one hit about being trained in Veeshan's peak.

[Nirgon]

If people still need BCGs after all this time, you guys are going to have a long wait ahead of you until they are done farming Crown of Riles.

Might I suggest a cool iced tea and enjoying a warm summer day with your pixel rage?

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has been well-established that the "training" that happens in VP is largely due to pathing problems in the zone.

If you want those pixels badly enough to out-TMO TMO then part of doing so involves a design to achieve results without being derailed and giving up because TMO's pull trained you regardless of whether it was intentional or purely due to bad pathing.

If you can't handle someone working the system to their advantage over you, become better. Maybe that means working a different angle. Maybe that means being more of an asshole. Maybe that means being capable of surviving that train and continuing on to your target.

Second place is the best loser. If you're in a guild that wants to do VP and you're complaining on the forums then you want your pixels but you don't want it badly enough to do what it takes to achieve that goal. Either give up or do better. Nothing will be solved by complaining about how little fun it is for you to not be good enough to do what you want to do.

Shit's classic.

That said, I come from emarr where Da`Kor/MS/MF started a rotation/calendar setup. I thought it was a good idea there, but p99 isn't emarr. There are far too many, "well FUCK them" posts from members of guilds on all sides of the argument. I doubt all parties would stick to the agreements. Furthermore, what settled it for me was when I heard someone from TMO state that a rotation would be worth considering if not for them having a scheduled wait for another guild to fail before TMO cleans up anyway.

This brings me right back to my original point: get better and stop complaining.

You're either ignorant to what is going on or just plain stupid. Can't decide which.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yet when BDA proposed a red week there were like 5 TMO that participated? Zilo, Sericx, a few others, and you weren't among them? You sure love to open your mouth and back it up with a massive pile of nothing.

Is this the same post you answered with 2 weeks ago? You know, the one, where you bashed FE and IB in about the same thing? Gaffin might remember.

For the record, I don't remember this proposal being made.

P.S. Who are you again?

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by labmonkey42 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Say something productive. I dare you.

Lol and you are? "Get better, qq less!"

Skill has nothing to do with the current raid scene. Pathing accounts for a small portion of VP training. Confirmed idiot, not ignorant.

[Sirken]

was a good thread until it turned into nothing but turd slinging.