EQNext Discussion

[Ellouelle]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The entire industry believes it right now. Just another reason I love what CCP did (and they did it against industry "wisdom" at the time). Though I admit their game is for the hardest of hardcore.

The entire industry believes a lot of bullshit. If you look at the population curves for various mmos you can see that most of them have no clue what they're talking about. EVE is the only mmo that's got a steady upward ramp that never really drops and keeps trucking upward despite being over a decade old. Looking at the behavior of mmos, it's set to overtake wow in a few years as the most popular mmo in the west--assuming the next generation flops, which i doubt--eso looks like it'll take the casuals by storm as far as i can tell.

mmodata.net

here's what the industry should believe: if your game is well-crafted, people will pay to play the game itself. if you have to do an obnoxious ass-backwards payment plan then you are showing that you don't really believe in your game's chances of being well-received.

[Halius]

Originally Posted by Ellouelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The entire industry believes a lot of bullshit. If you look at the population curves for various mmos you can see that most of them have no clue what they're talking about. EVE is the only mmo that's got a steady upward ramp that never really drops and keeps trucking upward despite being over a decade old. Looking at the behavior of mmos, it's set to overtake wow in a few years as the most popular mmo in the west--assuming the next generation flops, which i doubt--eso looks like it'll take the casuals by storm as far as i can tell.

mmodata.net

here's what the industry should believe: if your game is well-crafted, people will pay to play the game itself. if you have to do an obnoxious ass-backwards payment plan then you are showing that you don't really believe in your game's chances of being well-received.

Amen to that.

I do agree too that ESO will take a lot of subscribers because:

1. Elder Scrolls games are hugely popular and a lot of people are interested in what their take will be in an online format.
2. People like those here will be drawn to the non-cartoony looks that ESO is offering.
3. There is a bigger chance that they can go with subscriptions instead of F2P model with all the popularity that the games have. Just like WoW did after all their success with their other games; people were willing to pay to play their next game.

Either way I think the problem is that ESO is going to melt a lot of PCs with the kind of graphics they are showing and many people won't be willing/able to upgrade their PCs to run the game smoothly. That is why I think EQnext went with their cartoony models, it will be easier for a casual players PC to run that game which in turn means more people playing the game (or so they hope). I think EQnext looks like crap, but because it is EQ I will give it a shot, more likely then not though I will end up here and on ESO. Just my 2cents

[Messie]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks bud. I get bored and keep changing it. It's like a very slow moving .gif

I was actually thinking, the snow in this sig should be a gif and it would be the perfect sig. but that would be hard

[liveitup1216]

ESO looks so, so, so bad.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by fadetree [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Free form multiclassing = fail

Have to agree with this. I love the idea of tons and tons of classes, but swapping the abilities seems like it could lead to some bland shit. They mentioned LoL quite a bit in their panels--how boring would it be if you could simply take the best Q the best W, etc. ? There isn't always an objective best, but really, some classes just have shitty Q's and that was okay because they were an ult-only kinda class.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Messie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was actually thinking, the snow in this sig should be a gif and it would be the perfect sig. but that would be hard

Now that's a good idea. Hmmm... give me time to figure it out.

[liveitup1216]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player chars will be too powerful

the gameplay was shown with beefed up toons and weak mobs set to stand there

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

death too inconsequential,

one of the panels said they're not ready to reveal death mechanics but that there needs to be risk vs reward

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

travel too easy

another panel mentioned something along the lines of better have money for wizard ports, though the parkour stuff may make travel seem easy. hopefully the world is as big as they say

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

weapons and shoulders too big

devs said you can customize armor scaling if you want, if someone wants normalized armor/weapon scaling, you can set that yourself.

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

special effects overdone

again they said the screen full of particles and debris was to show off the tech, but we'll see

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and everything just a little bit too cartoony.

agree with you there, i understand going in a stylized direction, but the disney/pixar types of faces just for SOEmote? Super dumb, nobody gives a shit about making faces on a webcam.

[monti]

Here's my prediction.

EQ Next gets released
Around same time, P99 Velious is released
Everyone comes back to P99 because EQ Next sucks compared to Velious.









P99 Luclin gets announced. Panties drop.

[maker]

Hey guys, I've been reading through the EQ Next forums and it really seems like people are asking for the wrong stuff in an MMO. It's like most of these people haven't even played the MMO's that have failed. WE need to get on there and post our thoughts or else sony is going to listen to the wrong part of the community.

I hear people say that sony is going for the casual players because that is where the money is, well that is what EVERY company says and goes for. If they make a game tailored to the hardcore gamer they might do better.

http://www.eqnforum.com/ here's the link people, please go spend some time giving your thoughts on how the game should be. Bring back that hardcore feel to a new MMO which NO one has done.

[fadetree]

Well, I can appreciate the intent, but it's not going to happen. Sony does *not* want to make a game that we would like, and no amount of forumquesting will make them change that. And anyways, they do not, and apparantly never will, understand that the heart of the game is in it's difficulty and restrictions, not in its freedoms and easiness.

If they make a game tailored to the hardcore gamer they might do better.

At what? Making money? Um, nope.