Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there wasn't competition for mates/resources/whatever humanity would die of boredom.

Which is what would happen if the GM's gave in to a re-distribution of wealth motive for "leveling the playing field" by making the acquisition of hand-outs easier.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which is what would happen if the GM's gave in to a re-distribution of wealth motive for "leveling the playing field" by making the acquisition of hand-outs easier.

It's not a hand out

It's about not being a dick.

There is a difference.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a hand out

It's about not being a dick.

There is a difference.

This.


I don't get why people think sanctioned training in VP creates some kind of mega-competitive atmosphere. Most of the VP keyed players don't even want to waste their time zoning into VP just to get trained by a bunch of griefers. It simply isn't worth their time and being able to train/countertrain is not difficult. In fact its nothing more than typing /target assholetrainingmonkornecro and /spam bladestopper. WOW, THAT IS SO HARD TO DO GUYS. Why should we have to derail trains to have a shot at legitimately killing a dragon? How does this make sense? How is this classic? What is the logic behind it?

The point is training shouldn't be allowed, it wasn't on live. It ruins more people's fun than it provides for the select few who are able to train. Look at the poll numbers, they likely speak volumes about how the raiders on this server feel about this situation.

[Nietche]

I like when Tasslehof continues to repeat the same wrong information over and over again.

I also like that people in this thread think it's TMO's fault that griefers exist in VP.

I lastly like that people in this thread think that TMO are the ones who are griefing other guilds in VP who are genuinely trying to engage a dragon with a legitimate raid force.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like when Tasslehof continues to repeat the same wrong information over and over again.

I also like that people in this thread think it's TMO's fault that griefers exist in VP.

I lastly like that people in this thread think that TMO are the ones who are griefing other guilds in VP who are genuinely trying to engage a dragon with a legitimate raid force.

No one has been in VP for like the last year besides TMO, unless you count the few weeks FE spent testing the waters.

What wrong information am I continuing to post?

Training was never allowed on live, this is a fact. Only the most dense people reading through this thread have not yet realized that. P99's Training rules in VP are not connected to VP being a non-CSR zone on live EQ servers.

Also -- Are you trying to say that if another guild zoned into VP that TMO would not train their raid? because otherwise, TMO is the only guild griefing anyone. Aside from 1-2 monks who sit in VP to train TMO on occasion for shits and giggles because, fuck it, the rules allow for it...so why not? If your guild trains, we are going to train.

I've already sent PM's to zeelot asking him to reconsider his stance of TMO training in VP. Tiggles responded for him only by offering to let other guilds attempt VP dragons(excluding PD) if we would let TMO have Trakanon kills uncontested. Why not just offer up some trial period of a few weeks without training in VP instead? It may even be more fun than the current situation there.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also -- Are you trying to say that if another guild zoned into VP that TMO would not train their raid? because otherwise, TMO is the only guild griefing anyone. Aside from 1-2 monks who sit in VP to train TMO on occasion for shits and giggles because, fuck it, the rules allow for it...so why not? If your guild trains, we are going to train.

Did you mean to contradict yourself in the same paragraph here, or was it your other personality.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you mean to contradict yourself (Tasslehof) in the same paragraph here, or was it your other personality.

Originally Posted by Verenity [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please ask your guild what happened when BDA legitimately made attempts on VP dragons about a year ago. In the spirit of saving time, multiple TMO trainers made sure to not only make sure we couldn't kill it, but also made our CR a living hell. Nothing I have ever experienced in this game could match the frustration of realizing that a couple individuals had nothing better to do with their lives than ruin the nights of a handful of others.

BDA literally brought this on themselves. You want sympathy? Your leadership probably should have thought of that before inviting 150 of the douchiest people on the server (once IB left to EQMAC), then thought twice about trying to influence certain GM's to make some of the dumbest, unfair decisions in the game which overtly favored VDA.

You want to blame someone? Blame Shinko and his ilk for instigating a fight with TMO under the BDA tag (by being douche bags every chance they got) and thus obliterating your guild, "good guy" reputation on the server (collectively). People who were already BDA before the VD-merger are hella' responsible as well. People in top leadership positions hate TMO so much that they wouldn't even accept a verbal "helping hand" in killing Gore an eon ago. No, they wanted war and had hoped that the numbers from VD would enable said war, even if in a "bluebie sense."

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hundreds upon hundreds of hours, at least, have been put into to get them to the table. Someone needs to post the only guild summit to happen. Where they basically ask when velious is coming out then hanging up. There is simply too much emotional daddytouchedme damage going on.

Learn to compete legitimately before asking for a summit. Until that time, whether you want it or not, it sounds as if you want a handout.

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any training should have the same buden of proof as in a fear raid....where it is also a frequent issue. It is hardly enforced in those situations....however the spectre of threat is there

The burden of proof for training in VP is far more difficult to achieve than in any other zone in the game currently. Guilds train themselves in VP due to arbitrary pathing issues (such as mobs going through walls sometimes and sometimes not) quite often. GM's would never sleep trying to figure out if an "unintentional train" by a guild should be considered "intentional" because it happened to kill off another guild or whether or not it was intentional in the first place. In the former case, then GM's would be asked to allow the guild who was killed a shot at the dragon even though the train was technically unintentional.

Etc.

TL;DR: Bunch of babies crying. Man up.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA literally brought this on themselves. You want sympathy? Your leadership probably should have thought of that before inviting 150 of the douchiest people on the server (once IB left to EQMAC), then thought twice about trying to influence certain GM's to make some of the dumbest, unfair decisions in the game which overtly favored VDA.

You want to blame someone? Blame Shinko and his ilk for instigating a fight with TMO under the BDA tag (by being douche bags every chance they got) and thus obliterating your guild, "good guy" reputation on the server (collectively). People who were already BDA before the VD-merger are hella' responsible as well. People in top leadership positions hate TMO so much that they wouldn't even accept a verbal "helping hand" in killing Gore an eon ago. No, they wanted war and had hoped that the numbers from VD would enable said war, even if in a "bluebie sense."



Learn to compete legitimately before asking for a summit. Until that time, whether you want it or not, it sounds as if you want a handout.



The burden of proof for training in VP is far more difficult to achieve than in any other zone in the game currently. Guilds train themselves in VP due to arbitrary pathing issues (such as mobs going through walls sometimes and sometimes not) quite often. GM's would never sleep trying to figure out if an "unintentional train" by a guild should be considered "intentional" because it happened to kill off another guild or whether or not it was intentional in the first place. In the former case, then GM's would be asked to allow the guild who was killed a shot at the dragon even though the train was technically unintentional.

Etc.

TL;DR: Bunch of babies crying. Man up.

I would assume they would spend as much time as they do now. Almost none. Just like any enforcement thats not rmt, mq or dual boxing. How overt did that gorg kite have to be.

It is still a poor rule. I can forgive uneven enforcement. ... it happens all the time.

[Verenity]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like when Tasslehof continues to repeat the same wrong information over and over again.

I also like that people in this thread think it's TMO's fault that griefers exist in VP.

I lastly like that people in this thread think that TMO are the ones who are griefing other guilds in VP who are genuinely trying to engage a dragon with a legitimate raid force.

Please ask your guild what happened when BDA legitimately made attempts on VP dragons about a year ago. In the spirit of saving time, multiple TMO trainers made sure to not only make sure we couldn't kill it, but also made our CR a living hell. Nothing I have ever experienced in this game could match the frustration of realizing that a couple individuals had nothing better to do with their lives than ruin the nights of a handful of others.