Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so tmo never pulled xygoz/nexona/etc to that ledge purely to train members of FE who were rezzing and buffing?

also not sure how you think the pathing isn't predicable. sorry you can't work out the basic logic behind different ways to pull and different paths the mob will take. you consistently pulled dragons through the walls every time I watched you, so even if you dont understand the pulls, your pull team sure does.

edit: so its not exploiting if you just buff/rez/coth up there, and its not an exploit to pull dragons up there, but it is an exploit to fight dragons up there, where they can fully melee and aoe the entire raid? hmmm, then home come the rule is no one can go up there, period?

It was changed to simplify things. You understand that the original rule was made by nilbog and amelinda. The revised rule was made by nilbog and sirken. Have a problem with rules changing as more information is gather?

[Rhuma7]

Originally Posted by getsome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, we were told VP had no GM involvement. In those very early days, TMO killed a VP dragon. After the VP dragon was dead IB killed all the TMO survivors. IB was ready to delete the loots on the dead dragon. Then out of thin air Rogean appeared and ruled VP did have rules and that IB would suffer consequences if we looted the dead dragon's corpse who we were now standing over with no TMO in zone. This was a guild on guild event.

I am merely providing everyone pro or con with context regarding a decision made by the head man in charge during the very early days of VP.

VP doesn't have rules til it doesnt benefit TMO OR stupid ass rule is cool until it shows how fucking stupid it is.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm saying classic EQ endgame doesn't require even a tenth of the skill of even the easiest modern MMO's endgame, not that you can succeed at it while being ignorant of how to actually play the game. I say this only to refute the "You're just mad because we're better" arguments that you're spewing. That shit would maybe fly on Red, but definitely not on Blue.

It's really easy for you to score those points when you keep moving the goal posts, ya know?

You are correct, but you're picking a terrible place for this argument. This board is going to be filled with EQ-enthusiasts that want validation that the game they play is difficult. We've beaten this to death on FoH, and pretty much everyone with some sense realizes that EQ circa 2000 is significantly easier at the high-end than the modern MMOs (who would have thought a genre would actually - you know - progress). Simply put, mashing buttons and avoiding bad stuff is more difficult than hitting 1 or 2 buttons and not avoiding anything.

You can still love EQ while realizing the genre has progressed a long ways.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are correct, but you're picking a terrible place for this argument. This board is going to be filled with EQ-enthusiasts that want validation that the game they play is difficult. We've beaten this to death on FoH, and pretty much everyone with some sense realizes that EQ circa 2000 is significantly easier at the high-end than the modern MMOs (who would have thought a genre would actually - you know - progress). Simply put, mashing buttons and avoiding bad stuff is more difficult than hitting 1 or 2 buttons and not avoiding anything.

You can still love EQ while realizing the genre has progressed a long ways.

I wouldn't consider button mashing and "more stuff to avoid" progress.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't consider button mashing and "more stuff to avoid" progress.

I would consider more interactive combat and interactive environments progress within the genre. With that said, I'm not saying it makes for a superior game. For example, Age of Conan's combat was progress in the genre, but it didn't make for a better game.

Edit: Anyhow, I don't want to derail a good thread. So, I'm done.

[coachblea]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is the sky blue?
Why does Coke taste better than Pepsi?
Why cant the Cowboys get over a 500 record?
Why did A-Rod takes steroids?

Cant answer any of these questions but it is what it is. Deal with it

How Dare You? Pepsi is way better than Coke. Coke as a company is horrible, they don't pay commission and treat their employees like crap. You sir must be from Atlanta or have just plain terrible taste. Can't believe the things these kids say. [mutter, mutter]

[quido]

Pepsi is disgusting

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by p-niner [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Tassellhoff sounds like a REAL SWELL CRYBABY

This isn't rants and flames, this post was meant to bring up a valid discussion regarding a rule in place regarding Veeshan's Peak. Obviously from the poll numbers(even though a small sample) a good portion of the server feels its not right.

Training does not equal skill, it is griefing and nothing else. There is nothing competitive about training, in fact it destroys competition. Most of the keyed VP players on this server would probably agree with me on this when I say zoning into VP isn't even worth it under the current rule set. It isn't fun at all, and it's far from what VP was on live EQ servers despite what some folks may say.

That is all.

[Gustoo]

You guys need to get over to red and just kill eachother allready this is ridiculous.

[HawkMasterson1999]

I vote no, but making them PvP would be interesting