Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Nirgon]

Your honor, the defense calls Shit's Classic to the stand

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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes you know where those really good gamers play lol. I was in essence comparing your rant about skill to the entire mindless 12 year old community that plays LoL and DoTA actively. Of course this isn't a reflection of the sane people who play there just, Shaddup noob lolwtfBBQ crowd which you seem to want to emulate.

This was a really bizarre post for you to make. You have been calling everyone who doesn't want training in VP or whatever other thing you want to pass as "competition" bad for as long as you have been posting. You are the definition of the "Shaddup noob lolwtfBBQ" crowd.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was a really bizarre post for you to make. You have been calling everyone who doesn't want training in VP or whatever other thing you want to pass as "competition" bad for as long as you have been posting. You are the definition of the "Shaddup noob lolwtfBBQ" crowd.

No I have debated points and pointed out errors and explained how they were errors. You just said... this stuff eazy... u bad... u bad at games...

Plz continue !

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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No I have debated points and pointed out errors and explained how they were errors. You just said... this stuff eazy... u bad... u bad at games...

Plz continue !

I'm pointing out the error in the argument "EverQuest is hard" - or did you not read my post?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pointing out the error in the argument "EverQuest is hard" - or did you not read my post?

I did. It was your opinion vs Nietche's opinion. Opinions are not fact. Just because your opinion differs from Nietche's does not make you correct. Even if you get a majority backing your opinion it is still not correct since its an opinion based on your interpretation of a set of criteria.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by FenninEQaddict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im sure TMO or any guild that was in VP would be alot more open to racing if it didnt take just 1-2 of a rival guild to get FTE and loot. If the dragons were based off raid force and engage and kill instead of who gets the FTE shout then it might be different. I have read and heard complaints about a guild getting FTE with 1 group or less on raid targets then the rest of their force rolls into zone or even doesnt show up and they get credit for the kill.

VP dragons from what I know take a raid force to kill and FTE shouts just interfere with that. Your single monk/sk/necro who has been following a raid gets FTE what is TMO of FE supposed to do back off die to the dragon/ae and the spend 20+minutes cr because a lone monk/SK/Necro feels they can solo a dragon.

Also from what I hear the crying here about training your guild FE has solo griefers in VP for the only purpose of to train TMO while they are raiding. So the hypocrisy of this thread is amazing. 1 monk will never be able to kill a dragon there on this server but if skilled can sure kill a raid. So the moral high ground doesnt work here. And anyone who knows about your guilds training habits in VP when they cant mobilize a force to kill the dragons knows this.

I think the GMs, and Guides have made the best of a bad situation since VP is a drama melting pot on this server. There will always be someone crying foul there whether its TMO/FE/IB/FC or one of the other VP key'd guilds and if they run to it everytime something happens they would have no time to help the people who actually need it.

I admitted I trained in VP for hours. Because I was trained in VP for hours. It doesn't make it right. I feel if I was training you and you had fraps, the character should be suspended at the least. It's not competition. It's the definition of stupidity. It is the reason I took a break. It's a bad rule. Bad rules should be discussed. Looks like training is frowned upon by the community, if were one to go by the vote.

The only people who seem to be in favor of it is one guild that gets the main benefit of it. The only people from that guild who are speaking out against the rule are A) TMO's known forum trolls or B) TMO's known trainers. Training is a PVP tool and should be on a PVP server. I play on blue servers to enjoy myself and not be griefed by assholes.

The pathing IS messed up in there. But someone with knowledge can pull PD right every time with minimal risk. I have seen him warp through the walls in different ways. But as soon as he is through your puller can flop/accept the rez box/coh and the adds never warp. The dragons are too big for the way the pathing nodes are setup. Trakanon has the same issue when you do not immediately engage after a shroom. He will run through a wall.

The pull and raid cohesion was always the real challenge of EQ. Which is simple as pie in Vent.

I have been here long enough to realize any kind of reasoned response will ultimately fall on deaf ears. ESPECIALLY when it comes at any concession by anybody. I swear it is worse than congress. I understand why this comes up from time to time, but the glacial pace that any changes would/should be developed would make the situation a moot point. Community focused approaches have no place here. Not when the paitents are running the Asylum. Not when they have a vested interest in controlling loot for power/RMT/epeen.

BDA tried to be the Jesus of the server. Jesus has no place here. FE tried to be the black panther movement. It worked better than the Jesus movement, but ultimately failed once TMO started investing "resources" back into the game.

Nothing will change until people that CAN do something DO something. The non-raiding community (the majority) will not do something because they have no dog in the fight, and can get raid items for platinum. The people who want to raid but have wife and kids and are real adults can only do so much. The non-TMO hardcore raiders from time to time bloody the machine's nose, but are ultimately disillusioned by friends leaving to the machine(Cecily, although i get why), or burnout of minimal gains with maximum effort. 24 hour train wars to kill a dragon who drops a couple of toy weapons should not be anyone's idea of fun. My 16 month old has a better grasp on sharing and cooperation than some of the grown ass men on this server.


Bottom line: If you kill enough trakanon's to have the keys, you should be able to fight the endgame on a blue server unmolested. PVP rules should not be implemented on a Blue server. It is a bad rule.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bottom line: If you kill enough trakanon's to have the keys, you should be able to fight the endgame on a blue server unmolested. PVP rules should not be implemented on a Blue server. It is a bad rule.

Kunark has been out too long.

[Joroz]

Close VP... this zone creates way more problems than it solves...

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kunark has been out too long.

This rule has been in place so long. Why the whining now?

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Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I did. It was your opinion vs Nietche's opinion. Opinions are not fact. Just because your opinion differs from Nietche's does not make you correct. Even if you get a majority backing your opinion it is still not correct since its an opinion based on your interpretation of a set of criteria.

I'll let this guy handle my response.

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My 16 month old has a better grasp on sharing and cooperation than some of the grown ass men on this server.