Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by FenninEQaddict [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im sure TMO or any guild that was in VP would be alot more open to racing if it didnt take just 1-2 of a rival guild to get FTE and loot. If the dragons were based off raid force and engage and kill instead of who gets the FTE shout then it might be different. I have read and heard complaints about a guild getting FTE with 1 group or less on raid targets then the rest of their force rolls into zone or even doesnt show up and they get credit for the kill.

VP dragons from what I know take a raid force to kill and FTE shouts just interfere with that. Your single monk/sk/necro who has been following a raid gets FTE what is TMO of FE supposed to do back off die to the dragon/ae and the spend 20+minutes cr because a lone monk/SK/Necro feels they can solo a dragon.

Also from what I hear the crying here about training your guild FE has solo griefers in VP for the only purpose of to train TMO while they are raiding. So the hypocrisy of this thread is amazing. 1 monk will never be able to kill a dragon there on this server but if skilled can sure kill a raid. So the moral high ground doesnt work here. And anyone who knows about your guilds training habits in VP when they cant mobilize a force to kill the dragons knows this.

I think the GMs, and Guides have made the best of a bad situation since VP is a drama melting pot on this server. There will always be someone crying foul there whether its TMO/FE/IB/FC or one of the other VP key'd guilds and if they run to it everytime something happens they would have no time to help the people who actually need it.

Again this isn't about FE vs. TMO this is about the end game of the server now. You make Valid points about the FTE shout which I will get back to. Training in VP is legal at the moment so anyone that does it isn't in the wrong and I never said they were whether it be TMO/FE/IB whomever. I wasn't calling anyone out on training. I was discussing the validity of it's use in the end game at this time and the future. It's a griefing tool and a stalling tool that is easily misused by any guild in VP that has keys in VP.

Now to return to FTE shouts. Obviously we can set some kind of standard if someone is making a pull and gets to the dragon first to start the pull. As long as the puller is alive and making his way back to where his raid is camped it won't be interfered with etc.These are things that can be discussed. Just don't interfere with the race for the mob with trains or a valid pull to a raid...Or an engaged mob by a raid. It's things to work out sure but there can be some general agreements made to work within the mechanics GMs have given us.

Alas I doubt it will happen as stated before. There is a culture there now as even you pointed out of bad blood between guilds and individuals that is hard to overcome. I just want to point out my thoughts are my own not those of a guild. I have no malice towards anyone and I am not calling out a guild for doing anything wrong. I was just thinking of a way to make it better for everyone involved. Obviously it takes some standard agreements beforehand.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If training is within the "ruleset" and used with reckless abandon, then why is sniping FTE, which is also in the "ruleset", all of a sudden bad and not competition?

Training helps remove some of the bad from FTE. FTE battles in VP = long long long CR's.

[Nirgon]

VP and Sleeper's were no CSR involvement zones. The rule here isn't "training allowed in VP" the rule is "no CSR involvement in VP". This is classic.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VP and Sleeper's were no CSR involvement zones. The rule here isn't "training allowed in VP" the rule is "no CSR involvement in VP". This is classic.

Did you read the thread dude?

GMs said that the P99 rule has nothing to do with the non-CSR zone/guidebook from live.

Just as an exercise, since the guidebook doesn't have relevance to this discussion. Let's apply the guidebook to P99. We find that non-CSR zones included Plane of Hate, Fear, Sky, Growth, Mischief, and ToV in addition to VP/Sleeper's. Using that same logic applied in the quote above, would mean these zones would also be hands off and anything goes. But you can't really do that when you see what the "Exception Incidents" (Abuse, Disruption, or Exploitation) and those exceptions allow CSR intervention. Training clearly falls within the scope of "abuse" and "disruption".

Abuse is defined as any activity that is exercised with the intent of disrupting the over all play environment of one or more players.
Disruption is defined as any activity that is disruptive to the game play of others, though not necessarily with the intent to do so. Disruption has been sub-categorized into major and minor types.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong. It is hard. That's what makes Everquest so great, compared to other MMO's.

If you think classic EQ is hard, or in any way has end-game content comparable to even the most piss-easy modern MMO, then you are just so beyond terrible at video games that it's almost impossible to describe.

The biggest downside of classic EQ is that, aside from pulling, raids are almost stupidly easy. With people on this server trivializing pulls by training zones in circles, the raid scene is arguably the easiest ever conceived in any game anywhere.

Chill out with this "skill" nonsense. You guys are terrible at video games. Your one saving grace is that you are available to play more frequently than other people. That's not your most defining trait, though. Your most defining trait is your willingness to crap all over a server in your quest for the best pixels. You claim this is somehow a positive, and that others need to "get on your level."

Your level is "embarrassing." You're bad, and you should feel bad.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training helps remove some of the bad from FTE. FTE battles in VP = long long long CR's.

Get better, scrub.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think classic EQ is hard, or in any way has end-game content comparable to even the most piss-easy modern MMO, then you are just so beyond terrible at video games that it's almost impossible to describe.

The biggest downside of classic EQ is that, aside from pulling, raids are almost stupidly easy. With people on this server trivializing pulls by training zones in circles, the raid scene is arguably the easiest ever conceived in any game anywhere.

Chill out with this "skill" nonsense. You guys are terrible at video games. Your one saving grace is that you are available to play more frequently than other people. That's not your most defining trait, though. Your most defining trait is your willingness to crap all over a server in your quest for the best pixels. You claim this is somehow a positive, and that others need to "get on your level."

Your level is "embarrassing." You're bad, and you should feel bad.



Get better, scrub.

LoL, .... get it?

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LoL, .... get it?

I don't know what any of this means. Why is lol followed by both a comma and an ellipsis? Is this a code I don't get? Are you making an obscure League of Legends reference?

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you read the thread dude?

Hand on the Bible? No, lol. Did not read. Do not care. Shit's classic, man up.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by SCB [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what any of this means. Why is lol followed by both a comma and an ellipsis? Is this a code I don't get? Are you making an obscure League of Legends reference?

Yes you know where those really good gamers play lol. I was in essence comparing your rant about skill to the entire mindless 12 year old community that plays LoL and DoTA actively. Of course this isn't a reflection of the sane people who play there just, Shaddup noob lolwtfBBQ crowd which you seem to want to emulate.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shit's classic, man up.

Battle between the classic crew. Inner strife!

I agree though shit is classic.