Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand this is your last resort as a guild for some VP loot. It's understandable. I understand.

Maybe you should team up with IB.

Jeremy. I don't have a VP key and likely won't before Velious. Stop projecting misplaced understanding on me. I don't hold the grudges and loot doesn't inspire anything I do. I enjoy raiding in EQ and always have. I'd like to see it balanced for everyone.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand this is your last resort as a guild for some VP loot. It's understandable. I understand.

Maybe you should team up with IB.

If anyone on this server JUST wanted loot, all they'd have to do is app TMO, get in, and collect loot. Anything thats not a VP drop would go to them anyway, as your characters have all the other loot.

Stop suggesting it's about pixels. If people wanted pixels, they'd be member 400 in TMO.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah it is old grudges that can be resolved to make this a healthier place to raid for everyone. No one is asking for hand outs. TMO is still the largest guild and still can mobilize fast for the targets they want. They won't stop being the top guild simply because training stops in VP. It will however balance the playing field across the board more.

u mean so we can live massive popsocks again and unitentional train than happens very frequently at trak ledge?.
i did more popsocks in 2013 thanks to FE than back in the TR ib+vd days.and atleats abck in the day we had india trvia to amuse both guilds.

i dont see why always we play the card of faster mobilization when we know FE desire a mob is perfectly able to keep from 3 to 4 groups in a spot for 7 days if needed.

Hell if even FE name was picked up as a insult towards tmo , what u guys espect we suddenly turn nice and shake hands?.


i will give you credit about ur comments about bad blood. it still exist and tas is one of the main promoters .

realy you think if FE leadership seek tmo leadership for a civil way to rule out a nicer system of raids it will work with such people?.


back in the day after tmo finished with ib and we had no real competitor as VD showed a great lacking on eladership and people .

tmo was enough nice to share a dragon the infamous endangered species . and it end backslash us because people begon to insults,



as i told you im a old player of solusek ro server and its just as simple as kunark is to small to keep 2 uber guilds happy and since unlike live we had tons of alts its way and simpled fucked up more.

[Ele]

So nice that we can have a reasoned discourse amongst players. Oh wait we can't. Time for a new thread.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So nice that we can have a reasoned discourse amongst players. Oh wait we can't. Time for a new thread.

Atleast the poll offered us a glimpse into the current mindset of the playerbase, even if a miniscule sample of the server's population!

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on. You also ask for proof that training wasn't aloud in live. Well you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that it wasn't.

+10 for the best dickhead response so far.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

u mean so we can live massive popsocks again and unitentional train than happens very frequently at trak ledge?.
i did more popsocks in 2013 thanks to FE than back in the TR ib+vd days.and atleats abck in the day we had india trvia to amuse both guilds.

i dont see why always we play the card of faster mobilization when we know FE desire a mob is perfectly able to keep from 3 to 4 groups in a spot for 7 days if needed.

Hell if even FE name was picked up as a insult towards tmo , what u guys espect we suddenly turn nice and shake hands?.


i will give you credit about ur comments about bad blood. it still exist and tas is one of the main promoters .

realy you think if FE leadership seek tmo leadership for a civil way to rule out a nicer system of raids it will work with such people?.


back in the day after tmo finished with ib and we had no real competitor as VD showed a great lacking on eladership and people .

tmo was enough nice to share a dragon the infamous endangered species . and it end backslash us because people begon to insults,



as i told you im a old player of solusek ro server and its just as simple as kunark is to small to keep 2 uber guilds happy and since unlike live we had tons of alts its way and simpled fucked up more.

No one says you have to like us. Just that you compete on an even playing field with us. You will still get a lot of what you go after and we may get some as well. But at least we won't have the training to infuriate each other further. Listen I got no problem with any of ya and honestly wish ya the best in the game and in life regardless what happens with this. I am just pointing out that it can be easier and more balanced for everyone without all the grudges and anger that gets caused because of a culture of training that started a few years ago.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There was a time when the FE folks said "we'll beat you at your own game. We're getting better and will continue to improve and take dragons from you."

Now that Tasslehof is maxed out on gear outside of VP and at an impasse with further progress due to his guild falling apart, he wants to change the rules! I can't say I really blame him, I just think it's kind of pathetic. There was a time when the training rules were to TR/IB's advantage, not TMO's, but you didn't see us crying about it. You should do what we did - adapt and overcome, not set the bar lower so even groups with piss-poor coordination can get a piece.

The train wars we've had in VP have been some of the most fun I've had playing this game. A lot of you who have never experienced such a situation say "it doesn't take any skill to train someone," but you really have no idea what you're talking about. I think it's fascinating that something on the blue server can involve a more human vs human element. The ingenuity, the coordination, the ups and down - it's a bit more engaging than the rest of what we do.

FE did play your game, but as we did, the GMs stepped in and changed it in your favor. TMO would move to a new safe ledge to safely rez/buff/train from/etc, FE struggled to keep up, FE would get to that same ledge and then start to get even again, then TMO would glitch dragons through walls to train FE, accuse FE of exploiting the zone to kill mobs without getting hit, and the GMs cAme in and changeD things so no one could use the technique TMO started using but was being outplayed with.

this was one factor of many that lead to FE burning out in vp. trying to kill dragons and train/coutner-train with 20-30 vs 40-50+keyed alt army+already vp geared toons is a struggle enough.

that said at times I enjoyed the trains, and at times it was just tedious.

I dont understand the comparison of vp trains to sleeper trains. training in sleepers tomb has a purpose for the server. I dont see why training in vp is somehow special when compared to training in trak lair, vs pit, skyfire, fear, hate, etc.

tmo has no reason to change their stance on vp unless another guild can grief them to their breaking point. with any luck i'll have a vp key on my monk soon enough and I can help to that end [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and while I haven't seen it in action yet, I look forward to the pathing changes that were announced for vp, combined with the change to invis pulling. not saying this is a magic fix all patch, but it will help with some things.

[khanable]

People want training in VP
People don't want training in VP

I'm the guy that just wants to watch all the training, shit is probably hilarious to see

Someone set up a 24/7 VP entrance stream so I can watch this shit

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Atleast the poll offered us a glimpse into the current mindset of the playerbase, even if a miniscule sample of the server's population!

Should of opened the poll to only people with VP keys btw