Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Still waiting on a viable reason training should be a mechanic in any zone. Derail as much as you like and try to shoot the messenger... But none of you have a reason yet.

[Cecily]

People like you.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering Velious is a ways out, the future of raiding on p99 and Veeshan's peak rules belong in the same conversation. Besides, we're talking about other guilds beside TMO/FE. Don't you think the other 90% of players who haven't seen VP are going to want to once you guys let your deathgrip go come velious? Isn't this conversation relevant to those folks?

Sure people and other guilds can see VP, get a key and meet me inside. As for Velious I cant say if we will be in VP or not. But highly doubtful imo with so many bosses in Velious. And this was also another classic feature for smaller guilds. They didnt get to see content at time, had to wait till the next xpac so the tier 1-2 guilds would move on. This is classic.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People like you.

That makes perfect sense =)

Although I won't take your 12 year old bait and argue with you. I don't understand your combative nature when we have never had a problem with one another. Seems you just want to be sarcastic and derail because you are in a guild that kills a dragon ? Hate to tell ya there were a lot of servers doing the exact same things 12 years ago. I really am happy you are having fun with the game. Heck I am happy for anyone that has fun with the game... But not when it is detrimental to other people that want to have fun as well.

Not every guild can be the top guild everyone knows that. But training in some zones won't change who is or isn't the top guild on a server. I honestly don't see why so many of you are threatened by this discussion. I mean I understand it somewhat you can stifle any competition with the current mechanic in VP and in zones in velious (Which I am more worried about personally). But if you wanted to kill people to get to that status why are you on a blue server ?

[Excidium]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure people and other guilds can see VP, get a key and meet me inside. As for Velious I cant say if we will be in VP or not. But highly doubtful imo with so many bosses in Velious. And this was also another classic feature for smaller guilds. They didnt get to see content at time, had to wait till the next xpac so the tier 1-2 guilds would move on. This is classic.

Lower tier guilds didn't have to wait 2 years between expansions, and the top guilds weren't nearly as greedy as TMO seems to be. Naggy and vox kills 4 years later is not classic. Don't spew that crap about blade stoppers either, abusing them wasn't classic either.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That makes perfect sense =)

Although I won't take your 12 year old bait and argue with you. I don't understand your combative nature when we have never had a problem with one another. Seems you just want to be sarcastic and derail because you are in a guild that kills a dragon ? Hate to tell ya there were a lot of servers doing the exact same things 12 years ago. I really am happy you are having fun with the game. Heck I am happy for anyone that has fun with the game... But not when it is detrimental to other people that want to have fun as well.

Not every guild can be the top guild everyone knows that. But training in some zones won't change who is or isn't the top guild on a server. I honestly don't see why so many of you are threatened by this discussion. I mean I understand it somewhat you can stifle any competition with the current mechanic in VP and in zones in velious (Which I am more worried about personally). But if you wanted to kill people to get to that status why are you on a blue server ?

You're terminology of fun vs mine is 2 completely different things. I actually enjoy training people in VP. Doesn't mean I like to train people outside of there does it? So lets make VP a non trained zone k, whats next? lets make a rotation? and after? you kill he dragon for me and just give me the loot? You want the pixels you fight for them.

[radditsu]

I have trained for hours in vp.


It is the dumbest thing I have ever done.

They did not soul bind keys because of asshole trainers in vp. They did it because it is hard enough to do on its own.


Remove soulbound keys and I bet this kind of griefing goes away.

Either way it is dumb and wastes a players time and patience. It makes good players resent each other for pixels. Poison imo.

[Rhambuk]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But if you wanted to kill people to get to that status why are you on a blue server ?

gathering up 20 raid mobs is way easier than actually pvping or doing anything that requires any sort of attempt.

Training is such a bad concept for an endgame raid zone.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure people and other guilds can see VP, get a key and meet me inside. As for Velious I cant say if we will be in VP or not. But highly doubtful imo with so many bosses in Velious. And this was also another classic feature for smaller guilds. They didnt get to see content at time, had to wait till the next xpac so the tier 1-2 guilds would move on. This is classic.

Your knowledge of live is lacking...A lot of loot from VP wasn't discovered until Velious. The timeline here is messed up which is why this discussion is being broached in the first place. Also the training rules in VP would still affect those guilds come velious which is why it needs to be discussed. No offense the server doesn't start and end with where TMO currently is. I have friends in your guild and I honestly do not have many hard feelings at all towards you guys... This is an honest discussion about this. It is not to gain an advantage for anyone. You guys still have the same numbers and mobilization to not lose much even without training. If you said train wars happened in Kunark in VP over Phara Dar etc I have to question your credibility.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Excidium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lower tier guilds didn't have to wait 2 years between expansions, and the top guilds weren't nearly as greedy as TMO seems to be. Naggy and vox kills 4 years later is not classic. Don't spew that crap about blade stoppers either, abusing them wasn't classic either.

Um yah, rez sticks are almost invaluable in velious. And at this current time Bladestoppers are a monks best friend. So these targets will still be actively killed.