Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both are griefing....Neither is fun unless you are the trainers. It is not competitive to train and kill a raid engaged on a dragon or attempting to engage a dragon. It's griefing. Competitive is exactly what Trak is like right now...Calling in the spawn, people racing to their chars and engaging before the other guild does. That is fun for all parties to race. Now if training was allowed there... Would simply training the guild winning the race make that more competitive ? It would just be raid interfering because you weren't fast enough to mobilize for the kill.

As I have said repeatedly all guilds are guilty of training at one point or another. It is not against server rules to do so in VP. So no one is in the wrong there. But let's not pretend that it adds to the competition when in reality it hampers competition. If you can outrace the other guild to a spawn and FTE and kill it first...That is competition because your guild cleanly outraced the other. I never said FTE did show the better guild...Mobilizing...racing...winning the race is the competition at this point because Kunark has been out so long. Now if you think adding trains to simply kill people because they were beating you is competitive...I dunno what to say to ya. Sounds like griefing cause you're losing or may lose. Not saying your guild is losing... Just saying that mechanic in the raid scene hampers any guild not a certain size in some zones.

Well said, I would think the second part about racing to dragons in VP to be especially true. It just sounds more fun than the current situation there. Rather than see who can build the biggest train and maintain the largest train team we could see who can get to the mob faster.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training was never allowed, where did you get the idea that it was? Rogean already said the current p99 rule set for VP was not derived from any live EQ policies like 9 pages ago, I think.

Already got 2 live servers saying training was allowed.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both are griefing....Neither is fun unless you are the trainers. It is not competitive to train and kill a raid engaged on a dragon or attempting to engage a dragon. It's griefing. Competitive is exactly what Trak is like right now...Calling in the spawn, people racing to their chars and engaging before the other guild does. That is fun for all parties to race. Now if training was allowed there... Would simply training the guild winning the race make that more competitive ? It would just be raid interfering because you weren't fast enough to mobilize for the kill.

As I have said repeatedly all guilds are guilty of training at one point or another. It is not against server rules to do so in VP. So no one is in the wrong there. But let's not pretend that it adds to the competition when in reality it hampers competition. If you can outrace the other guild to a spawn and FTE and kill it first...That is competition because your guild cleanly outraced the other. I never said FTE did show the better guild...Mobilizing...racing...winning the race is the competition at this point because Kunark has been out so long. Now if you think adding trains to simply kill people because they were beating you is competitive...I dunno what to say to ya. Sounds like griefing cause you're losing or may lose. Not saying your guild is losing... Just saying that mechanic in the raid scene hampers any guild not a certain size in some zones.

Stop trying to take away my fun to better suit your fun. Welcome to a raid guild Vianna. Put in some time before you try to change it to suit your needs.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop trying to take away my fun to better suit your fun. Welcome to a raid guild Vianna. Put in some time before you try to change it to suit your needs.

We're talking about the future of the server's raid scene here, save your nasty comments for rants and flames please.

[quido]

FE would poopsock PD for a week straight just like they do VS if it wasn't for the current ruleset. I think we should extend the VP rules to the VS pit in KC.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE would poopsock PD for a week straight just like they do VS if it wasn't for the current ruleset. I think we should extend the VP rules to the VS pit in KC.

I see what you did there Jeremy. And honestly I dont believe Vianna understands FE's history and training. Last raid suspension for training outside of vp was oooo lemmie think.... FE

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FE would poopsock PD for a week straight just like they do VS if it wasn't for the current ruleset. I think we should extend the VP rules to the VS pit in KC.

Cmon guy stop rants and flaming in my post seriously, if you're going to post atleast offer some logical explanation why training needs to be allowed. Especially considering TMO has had pretty much free reign over VP uncontested for a long time, whats to bad about a little change? You guys want competition right? Why can't it be more fair competition?

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Or you guys could say "Stop being douchebags and don't train or you will get suspended". I understand you like the carnage on servers and the bitching and whining that happens but there are toolbags in all guilds that unless you say something isnt allowed they will do whatever they want. Training is a douchebags move anyway you put it. It should be limited to red and that is it.

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both are griefing....Neither is fun unless you are the trainers. It is not competitive to train and kill a raid engaged on a dragon or attempting to engage a dragon. It's griefing. Competitive is exactly what Trak is like right now...Calling in the spawn, people racing to their chars and engaging before the other guild does. That is fun for all parties to race. Now if training was allowed there... Would simply training the guild winning the race make that more competitive ? It would just be raid interfering because you weren't fast enough to mobilize for the kill.

As I have said repeatedly all guilds are guilty of training at one point or another. It is not against server rules to do so in VP. So no one is in the wrong there. But let's not pretend that it adds to the competition when in reality it hampers competition. If you can outrace the other guild to a spawn and FTE and kill it first...That is competition because your guild cleanly outraced the other. I never said FTE did show the better guild...Mobilizing...racing...winning the race is the competition at this point because Kunark has been out so long. Now if you think adding trains to simply kill people because they were beating you is competitive...I dunno what to say to ya. Sounds like griefing cause you're losing or may lose. Not saying your guild is losing... Just saying that mechanic in the raid scene hampers any guild not a certain size in some zones.

training and counter training does add to the competition and takes more skill than a lot of other things in this game. look at CT where a certain guild no longer goes because they can't even train a group of mobs to nowhere. "mobilizing and racing" is nice when it works but a lot of the time it is just a race from your toilet to the keyboard.

you aren't the taste maker of fun on p99. if you like mobilizing (how could you; you haven't killed anything), well, I like training. well come to the server but training has been the name of the game since the rotation in VP ended and crying because your guild got its ass kicked probably isn't going to change that

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cmon guy stop rants and flaming in my post seriously, if you're going to post atleast offer some logical explanation why training needs to be allowed. Especially considering TMO has had pretty much free reign over VP uncontested for a long time, whats to bad about a little change? You guys want competition right? Why can't it be more fair competition?

Is it not fair because your monks/sk's/necros suck? All it takes is 1 maybe MAYBE 2 good trainers to derail a kill.