Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Well let's open that discussion right here. It doesn't have to be in private. This is a good forum for discussion right here. Let's see who is actually for or against making VP a true competition instead of who can train the best. I mean when the skill you brag about most as a player is the size of the train and how many people it killed...That sounds like PVP and not PVE.

TMO is skilled enough to kill targets without training another guild in VP. They demonstrate that when no one competes against them. Why not let all raid mobs be a race ? Just like the current ones outside of VP. They still have the numbers advantage as it stands on the server. They will still likely get most the mobs in VP with the number of keys they have for the zone and with variance they will likely have the larger force when mobs spawn at random times. Let's just discuss removing the aspect of training allowed in VP and future zones and make it a race like for any other mob. It is a benefit to all guilds to remove this. It means if you win the race you get your shot at it regardless of the size of your guild. If the larger guild can't field a force to win a race...That is on them and there should be no backdoor way out of it for anyone via training.

[sulpher01]

With this server's population, allowing it is the same as saying do it as much as possible.

[Zapatos]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

The players doing the majority of training in there do it because they want to. I really wish you had spent more time even just observing VP when there was still action to watch, then you'd see just how silly a statement like that is.

History of the server has shown no competing guild can go in there without being trained even if they say they don't want any training. See Vesica Dei: they decided as a guild to NOT train when they went into VP... and immediately got corpsed camped. It took barely a day for their internal poll to switch from 90% against training to 90% for training. I'm not going to put the blame all on the guild who was in there at the time, but I will say that sort of behavior has a positive feedback and it only takes one person to start it.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im personally working on this now, sirken.
Unfortunately not all parties involved are willing to negotiate at this point as far as I've been told.

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on. You also ask for proof that training wasn't aloud in live. Well you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that it wasn't.

[Zapatos]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on.

lol thanks for proving my point so quickly

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The players doing the majority of training in there do it because they want to. I really wish you had spent more time even just observing VP when there was still action to watch, then you'd see just how silly a statement like that is.

History of the server has shown no competing guild can go in there without being trained even if they say they don't want any training. See Vesica Dei: they decided as a guild to NOT train when they went into VP... and immediately got corpsed camped. It took barely a day for their internal poll to switch from 90% against training to 90% for training. I'm not going to put the blame all on the guild who was in there at the time, but I will say that sort of behavior has a positive feedback and it only takes one person to start it.

Good post, not to mention training is a quick and easy way to even the score on a competing guild which may have the upper hand. Sure, there are PLENTY of ways to derail trains but it then becomes a.numbers game with the guild who has more trainers coming out the Victor.


I would love to work out a player enforced play nice policy but could you imagine how fast that would be undone the second somone UNINTENTIONALLY trains. That is mainly why I questioned the logic behind GM sanctioned training, because if it isn't punishable inside VP, then no guild will ever risk losing a kill because they were slower to mobilize. Its easier to just wipe a raid with a train and keep em down until your raid can arrive. On the other hand if training in VP was enforced the risks of doing so would far outweigh the rewards.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol thanks for proving my point so quickly

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on. You also ask for proof that training wasn't aloud in live. Well you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that it wasn't.

Not really since training was obviously never allowed on live servers. I would be more inclined to actually think the opposite would be true. If you claim training was allowed, and all published evidence points to the contrary, then the burden of proof should fall on you.


Where are our nerfquesters? They are usually superb at finding buried treasures of eq info.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really since training was obviously never allowed on live servers. I would be more inclined to actually think the opposite would be true. If you claim training was allowed, and all published evidence points to the contrary, then the burden of proof should fall on you.


Where are our nerfquesters? They are usually superb at finding buried treasures of eq info.

So what you're telling me is all speculation and you made this thread and want people other then yourself to find if it was or was not aloud. Makes sense ......

[Silent]

VP training is a-ok