history lesson/faq

[Daydrem]

/clap Nilbog

I think some of you are missing the point of this post. This post wasnt to give you somewhere else to flame about petty arguements from the game, hoping to have more people see how you think you have been unjustly treated. This is to remind all of you that instead of being bitter and ungrateful you should settle down and either have fun with this great chance to play everquest again OR gtfo and find somewhere else to spend your free time.

None of you are being forced to play here. If you are so unhappy with the way things are being run then find another game that is "fair" in your opinion. The gms dont need your "help" running things, in fact all the "helpful" suggestions about how things should be run only make things more difficult. If you think the GMs are corrupt, there is the door... If things aren't the way you remember them and you are so unhappy that you need to whine on and on and on about it, there is the door again... There are plenty of us that think this server is wonderful that the server will be just fine without the extra "help".

~Daydrem

[Penoy]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a) Shutting the fuck up and enjoying a server does not coincide with allowing one guild to exploit, as well as biased, wanton rule-setting.

NEWSFLASH!! Inglorious Basterds has used exploits as well.....

[Nizzarr]

Hello penoy,

please list the exploits IB has used, Thanks.

As far as Amygdalan knights, they've been used in one clearing. As partial that clearing was since A) we couldnt get close to the temple, or any of the 3 golems area since it was immediate death touches.

The bugged amygdalan knights have been used to kill approximately like 20-30 mobs, yes they did proc a 400 damage HT every 10 or so hits, yes it was a big deal but it didnt change the fact that we had a force present able to take those mobs anyway, unlike transendence and that phinigel kill we witnessed.

in those 3 or 4 clearings, we could never get temple down because of those impossible to kill knights. so its not like it was a gift from god to use those.

I'd like to remind you that dracoliche resisted every and all of the amygdalan procs when we used them on that fight.

so please come up with something new Penoy. I'd like to hear when IB exploited.


if anything, Transcendence can thank us for beta testing fear. Cuz that place was bugged as all hell when we first got there.

[_Nayiri_]

"I wanted to play on this server. I do not anymore."

this also makes me sad. the core game has been great. If I were you, I'd create a fresh toon, keep it fairly discreet (not let everyone know who you are, actually), start /ignoring the fuck out of anyone who exhibits faggotry on ooc, and enjoy norrath to the best of your abilities. The drama here is something that I've tried to disconnect myself from. You should too, it'll make your playing experience worth it.

[Jify]

Originally Posted by _Nayiri_ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"I wanted to play on this server. I do not anymore."

this also makes me sad. the core game has been great. If I were you, I'd create a fresh toon, keep it fairly discreet (not let everyone know who you are, actually), start /ignoring the fuck out of anyone who exhibits faggotry on ooc, and enjoy norrath to the best of your abilities. The drama here is something that I've tried to disconnect myself from. You should too, it'll make your playing experience worth it.

I believe Nilbog's play character (that he probably never gets to play) is still under the radar.

Also, this makes me a very sad magician. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Zarniwooop]

My sincere suggestion:

1. Ban everyone that breaks the rules or exploits for a month. Second offense, permanant.

2. Lock threads without warning when they get unruly.

3. Warn people once for getting out of hand in general chat, then ban them.

4. Don't let the crying get to you. It's just the tears of children. People never respect the efforts of others. They simply want what they want. They will not see reason. Anything that doesn't go their way means that people are conspiring against them.


I spent years as a guild leader, server admin and in other roles trying to rehabilitate people that just cannot help themselves. And that's exactly what it is. The word "rehabilitate" is not too strong. This isn't a free speech situation. This is about what is best for the most people. Do that and have a clear conscience. What I have learned is you can essentially never change someone's base behavior. If they are a jerk or unable to control themselves, they never will be. Save yourself the grief.

The people that CANNOT control themselves are no loss.

I know this sounds harsh, but most people, adults included are simply children with slightly better coping mechanisms and more height. Just look at the way they post here. Vague threats to go to pvp servers, name calling, and other stuff that only a childish mentality can do.

This post won't make me popular, but frankly, I'm sick of it. This is part of classic that I have no interest in seeing again. Just cut the line where needed and keep things rolling for the majority. Screw the minority.

[Wenai]

Originally Posted by Dartagnan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not true. If it is my failure to claim a camp and you are there before me it is yours.

This is what Wenai has basically done:

Imagine me being at frenzy camp. I was there before all of you and I was killing and having a fun time. Backpacks were full of FBSS!

Then Wenai comes in and says, "Dartagnan has too many FBSS's and you have been here too much. I am putting this camp on rotation because others need FBSS too. As such, you will all now rotate.

Wrong it went more like this:

Dartanagan got high enough level to camp FBSS before anyone else and was camping it for weeks straight before anyone else. Bigcountry23 finally gets high enough level to start camping it and decides that he has to go to great lengths to make this happen.

Bigcountry23 is camping FBSS for 14 hours with no luck as frenzy has not spawned. Dartanagan shows up and makes threats that the next that Frenzy spawns he is going to tag it first because in his opinion respecting camps and your fellow players is a rule that should not apply to him.

Since both parties were unable to come to a compromise in which we gave you weeks to finish and it became clear that you were going to be unable to come to this compromise, we had to step in. We step in and put a stop to the stupid disagreements and give both parties a 50/50 share of all the spawns.

Honestly. If you tried to pull that shit on a single spawn in a dungeon, I would probably ban you without question. Read the rules, respect the rules, follow the rules. The fact that an entire guild tried to do it (and I stress try because it never happened because we put a stop to it before it could happen) was complete bullshit.

Your analogy made no fucking sense and people are completely missing the point of this thread. It isn't another tear collection thread. It isn't another another bitch about the rotation thread. It isn't another bitch about GMs being able to play/raid. It is a thread about shutting the fuck up and enjoying the server for what it is or get the fuck out.

**I just used Bigcountry23 because that is who you quoted.

[Dartagnan]

Originally Posted by Wenai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong it went more like this:

Dartanagan got high enough level to camp FBSS before anyone else and was camping it for weeks straight before anyone else. Bigcountry23 finally gets high enough level to start camping it and decides that he has to go to great lengths to make this happen.

Bigcountry23 is camping FBSS for 14 hours with no luck as frenzy has not spawned. Dartanagan shows up and makes threats that the next that Frenzy spawns he is going to tag it first because in his opinion respecting camps and your fellow players is a rule that should not apply to him.

Since both parties were unable to come to a compromise in which we gave you weeks to finish and it became clear that you were going to be unable to come to this compromise, we had to step in. We step in and put a stop to the stupid disagreements and give both parties a 50/50 share of all the spawns.

Honestly. If you tried to pull that shit on a single spawn in a dungeon, I would probably ban you without question. Read the rules, respect the rules, follow the rules. The fact that an entire guild tried to do it (and I stress try because it never happened because we put a stop to it before it could happen) was complete bullshit.

Your analogy made no fucking sense and people are completely missing the point of this thread. It isn't another tear collection thread. It isn't another another bitch about the rotation thread. It isn't another bitch about GMs being able to play/raid. It is a thread about shutting the fuck up and enjoying the server for what it is or get the fuck out.

**I just used Bigcountry23 because that is who you quoted.

And therein lies the problem. That is an utter distortion of what happened and totally shows your misperception.

Your story hinges upon me, the handsome hero, coming back to the spawn AFTER bigcountry23 claimed it and then portrays me pushing him out. That's bogus.

In your book, apparently, it is ok for bigcountry23 to continue wiping out to the frenzy and still have claim to the camp.

Here is the real version of the story.

Dartagnan heroically fought frenzy frogs for hours and hours because he was strong (he worked out at 24 Hour Fitness). He then decides to log off after a hard earned battle. When he logs back on he notices that bigcountry23, a fine young chap, is getting ready to camp the frenzy. Dartagnan expresses his wishes to bigcountry23 that he is interested in the camp and will wait his turn; however, if bigcountry23 was to wipe out during his encounter, he will take the frenzy.

Bigcountry23 makes a valiant attempt to kill the frenzy but wipes out. It was horrible to behold. So, Dartagnan gets ready to take the frenzy after patiently waiting.

Out of thin air, the big bad Wenai, very evil and cackles a lot (a cousin of the big bad wolf in stories) launches an assault on Dartagnan and says that he is being unfair. "How dare you be successful in being able to take this spawn. You will not be allowed to be successful here. As such Bigcountry23 will be able to take the frenzy again," says Big Bad Wenai.

So, Dartagnan, stunned, tells Wenai that is not fair. Bigcountry23 had his chance and failed.

Big Bad Wenai then tells Dartagnan that success does not matter on this server. We shall let Bigcountry23 fail over and over because it's important to be fair. Dartagnan is then put on rotation to allow Bigcountry23 to kill the frenzy.

So, Bigcountry23 exploits the frenzy to win the first time (magically his AE just disappears) because he couldn't do it legit. On his next turn he charms a scarling and the frenzy disappears, never to be found again.

The moral of the story: success means nothing. Effort means nothing. If you suck you will get equal chance. In Big Bad Wenai's world, common sense means nothing and equality means everything.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Dartagnan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bigcountry23 makes a valiant attempt to kill the frenzy but wipes out. It was horrible to behold.

Can't ... breathe! ... Euphamism ... too ... thick! ... Must ... find ... air!

[Allizia]

Huh wut? I can't even make sense of this trash anymore. I shouldn't bother posted because it will undoubtedly be turned around somehow, but come on, give it a rest.

We killed Naggy flawlessly. The Ranger didn't even die

If you are talking about Vox, WTF were we supposed to do? Everytime we engaged her she proced DDoS on us. In Otto's amazing and righteously fair Judgment he threatened to overtake us because you guys somehow blamed us for DDoSing our own raid, even though we had been waiting there and did not get a single shot at her for FOUR hours because of nonstop DDoS attacks. You think that was fun? You think we deserved to be overrun because of an outside factor that we had no control over?

You see all the accusations that it was IB that was DDoS'ing to keep us from killing Vox? No. Because I put a stop to it before it started. A bit of drama never hurt anyone, but ffs we have truckloads. Give it a rest