Raid mob rotation idea, and Teirs

[nerfed]

CT spawns Draco. You might as well make the same guild get both to prevent the intentional Draco / Golem agro to start DT's and slow the guild down. You would also need rules for who gets 2nd try after rotation guild fails their timer.

[Evorix]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

45 minutes for a full fear clear isn't anywhere near feasible, nor is an hour and a half for either fear or hate. In hate it can certainly be done, but if you're raiding with low numbers than it would be cutting it close. Keep in mind that we might actually see trackers sitting in planes/zones waiting for a pop without a 30-man force sitting next to them.

Factor in mobilization time, amount of time to clear and a small prep before engagement. The windows may even differ depending on the target/zone, with fear being the tougher clear partially due to the AC change whereas hate might be a shorter time frame, and then dragons even lower. Of course this all varies on how much we want to reward guilds who are willing to get up at off hours and how much leniency guilds who don't do this may actually get, and then whether a solid time frame should be applied for all targets/planes or one that varies depending on the zone.

I'm pretty sure loke knows 45minutes for a fear clear is unrealistic... but 1hr/1hr 15mins for anything is can be done. 5-6hrs would be feasible for CT. Most of the stuff is currently at 30mins to be pulled or u r skipped. This would give 30 extra minutes to mobilize, which should be plenty.

I see it as the only way to give each guild a fair chance, but still gives the raid scene some competition and rewards the hardcore guilds.

[Loke]

Skope, that goes without saying - I was assuming that we were going to go by the current 2 golems down thing for CT since that is indeed a special circumstance. Everything (including 2 golems) is extremely do-able in 45 minutes. Both DA and IB have done them all (again 2 golems, not CT himself) numerous times.

[Skope]

There's a discrepancy in the recognized raid force and the viable amount of time to engage a target. Inny can be done with 3 groups but then it would require a longer time for a clear than say a 40 man inny run. There then should be accommodation for both sizes of raid force for the proper amount of time for a clear to him, and of course CT would be even longer, since both sized forces would be capable of taking him down.

This could be settled with an "in zone by" time requirement. If a guild isn't at a popped target during their turn on rotation they forfeit rights and it goes to the guild that has the proper sized force to take it on in the zone first without hindering them on their own spot in rotation.

Obviously the rotations shouldn't be set in stone, as guilds will inevitably rise and fall, so perhaps a requirement of a certain target(s) in a given amount of time before you're dropped off the list. This should keep the list relatively small in size and still offer up and comers a chance to prove themselves.

[Loke]

I disagree - events should not be tailored to the raid force. If you cannot muster a raid force to do a mob in a set time limit and another guild can - than that other guild should be afforded their turn. The problem most people have with a rotation is that it takes any sort of competition out of the game - there needs to still be pressure on a guild to perform imo.

[Allizia]

I would definitely set the required raid numbers high, this isn't a 300 pop server anymore and it would prevent people creating "barely enough" or alt guilds (tons of people have more then 1 level 50) to break into a rotation spot.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree - events should not be tailored to the raid force. If you cannot muster a raid force to do a mob in a set time limit and another guild can - than that other guild should be afforded their turn. The problem most people have with a rotation is that it takes any sort of competition out of the game - there needs to still be pressure on a guild to perform imo.

We're actually agreeing, think it's an issue of clarity on either side that's the problem.

Guild A is due for innoruuk, they must be in the zone with 20 within 1 hour (whatever the time is) or they forfeit their place and it goes to the next guild with 20 (or whatever the number is determined to be) without penalizing them.

Thus you still have incentive to track due targets during windows at all times and obviously still requiring mobilization. Guilds who are willing to do their 4am thing can obviously do that and would in turn still see a larger amount of kills per week.

The biggest point of debate would be the time allowed to have a guild in zone, the amount of time to clear fear/hate to get to their target (so guilds can't just sit there AFK till they get their numbers up and the other guild is waiting for hours in line), and finally the recognized viable raid force for a given target.

[Appollo]

Originally Posted by Evorix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty sure loke knows 45minutes for a fear clear is unrealistic... but 1hr/1hr 15mins for anything is can be done. 5-6hrs would be feasible for CT. Most of the stuff is currently at 30mins to be pulled or u r skipped. This would give 30 extra minutes to mobilize, which should be plenty.

I see it as the only way to give each guild a fair chance, but still gives the raid scene some competition and rewards the hardcore guilds.

Kelven, thank you for coming up with the idea. You obviously put some thought into it. Hopefully with some constructive criticism it can become better. I agree with Evorix insofar as 24 hours is too long for an attempt on a mob. 5 Hours should be sufficient for CT.

1 hour should be sufficient for the other mobs.

With the fact that CT pops Draco, I see that as having one of two outcomes: (1) Guild with CT gets Draco (still within 5 hours) or (2) Guild that is currently on Draco rotation gets that Draco (which would effectively help the guild currently on CT rotation).

On a personal note, I'm indifferent as to whether there should be a rotation or the system should stay the same. On the one hand, the current system has it's flaws. On the other hand, I enjoy the "competition" more than I would enjoy a rotation. However, a rotation, at least in theory, would eliminate some of the issues with that arise within the current system.