Teams - whats better?

[runlvlzero]

Also if hardcoding teams, please make AE's and rains hit only enemies and not guildmates/team mates. Those are good/important spells that need to be viable on a pvp server!

[Not_Kazowi]

Teams are a pipe dream people! It will not work. There are too many ways to abuse it and it is too much to monitor and keep in check.


Guilds are teams. If anything just make Guilds have a member cap and do not allow buffing or healing outside of the guild you are tagged.

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by Mittens Romney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nihilum is team A. They have no interest in killing each other because they can kill everyone else.
Team B consists of all of the other guilds who can kill each other, and team A. So while team A kills all the spawns team B is busy fighting itself so they cannot stop team A.

On a team server you are forced into only being able to attack your opposing team. It eliminates the ability of team B to cannibalize itself.

Two teams also allows for GM intervention in the form of some sort of bonus to attract new players to the losing side.

you are in nihilum, your opinions are not valid friend.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zero teams.

Personally I would want to be on the ogre team.

I don't think the game divides well in any way into any number of fixed teams. It would just mean an already small server would have permanent divides. Power is very attractive and it would mean at least eventually there would almost certainly be a team anyone wanting raid gear would join. Yeah there would be some contrary folks but the main thing teams encourages is griefing of the opposing team.

The only layout that kinda makes sense is qeynos vs Freeport since they both get a dragon but Freeport is way closer to guk and Sol which are key areas. Maybe the shire vs Freeport would work.

I don't think locking people into the losing team would really do anything good. Its easy enough to re roll.

You secretly would like to be a barbarian though. You tell me about it quite a bit. Somehow I think we can de-immerse you from ogre min maxing.

Maybe lets remove ogre stun immunity to further balance evil team?

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thats because the server wasnt booted right. Nihilum was allowed to get miles of advance as the pop dwindled and their focus was on PVE anyway so they kept playing and getting more gear. Xp loss in pvp was removed too late, xp got cut among that, server didnt get a chance to recover properly. Thats like a bonsai growing all fucked up because of how it got started. I think people got bored that pvp had such a harsh penalty to partake in it and made them leave. People couldnt contest the zerg, server dwindled. It was patched, but people had left.

If the server is going to be wiped and we get a fresh start, I think our best bet would be an FFA server without xp loss straight off the bat so no zerg is allowed the kind of stranglehold it was allowed to get on red99 1.0

The harm in trying is screwing up the chance to redo the whole 2011 launch again, right this time, with guards that work and no xp loss in pvp.

Im not dismissing teams alltogether, but i havent read something that makes me say "This could work" yet. With FFA if a team gets too powerful, people can do something about it. In hardcoded teams, the only solution is to get new people to play the server, which we all know is super easy to accomplish. With FFA you can reshuffle the teams once in a while.

The server isn't going to be wiped, they've told us this multiple times. I'm thinking they're either making a new server, or are going to implement teams here with our existing characters.

[Bazia]

the wipe wasnt intentional but an error

[SamwiseRed]

ogres cant even get thru lguk without ducking, big disadvantage for manastone/guise quest.

[peatrick]

0 Teams

There are really people who actually enjoy team based PvP? I thought that's what all the new cookie-cutter MMO's have gone to because 90% of the population cannot hack true world PvP combat. Sheesh, now folks are literally BEGGING for it?

Guild politics very often drive end-game experiences and Rallos Zek had it right from the start, just Verant/SOE paid zero attention to the fact that Rallos even existed from beta right on through to retail. The fact that you could death touch almost any INT caster with Ice Comet before PvP spell reduction was just a complete farce and huge lack of foresight from the dev team. Anyway, what i'm trying to say is that people argue and guilds are no different. One simple event can trigger a wave of defections from a poorly lead guild and being locked into preset teams removes all ability to enjoy this completely player-driven aspect of the game.

Blue server has to cry over who engaged a mob first. That just seems ridiculous to me. Whoever is best equipped to take it down should get that chance. We need more PvP population, not another way to divide the community. Different strokes, for different folks.

[Gustoo]

Fact is any bluebies we get or most of them are going to pick team strong.

At the very least I think we can all agree that three teams are off the table.

[Mittens Romney]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The server isn't going to be wiped, they've told us this multiple times. I'm thinking they're either making a new server, or are going to implement teams here with our existing characters.

Maybe, but it is odd that Sirken would ask this now while the server is crashed and a new poll on the forum heavily favors a wipe. I personally don't care either way. I just like to play EQ on PvP servers.