Bronze

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by mreynert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you play that yi mid as AP? If so there might be some of your problem. I'm not saying he's bad that way, he's actually quite good, but AP yi requires your team to be competent to carry effectively in standard play...and in bronze that doesn't happen. If you got good teammates though, he can be scary as shit. Harder to claw your way to victory if team falls apart with him than most. I, personally, find that with Kassadin/Swain/Karthus I can climb my way out of gigantic team deficits on the other hand.

this very exactly describes my situation, although i am almost now able to consistently carry even a bad team with ap yi, as long as i am not shut down immediately, and sometimes even then

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Looks like you really like AP yi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

I'm actually quite impressed how much support you play. Item builds are a little different than I'm used to but nothing too bad. I assume you're warding in the correct places and such?

One thing that revolutionized my support play is I actually took a lesson from someone. He gave me a couple pieces of awesome advice and it takes a while to get used to.

Stop what you are doing and ask yourself why you're doing it. "Why am I facechecking this bush with no one close to me." "Why am I warding the river brush when it doesn't give you vision on the gankpath"

In your nonranked games before you do something ask yourself why you're doing something before you do it. If you can't come up with a good reason don't do it.

Ward placement is really important, you can add free ganks on their jungler if you ward in the correct spots (a LOT of people ward in incorrect spots and just waste wards). Wards seriously win games.

When you go into a team battle you must have a plan before you do it, especially if you're the tank and/or if you have CC. STOP their damage dealers from killing yours, communicate with your team on who to kill first, and since you're support/tank a lot make sure you ping attack target on their main damage dealers that tend to go straight for yours.

I dunno if any if this will help you, you'll actually get worse for doing it at the beginning but in the long run it'll help you and you'll see the mistakes you've been making before you make them.

i start with 3 vision wards and 2 regular wards and start my counterwarding and vision game immediately .. i've watched all the videos, have every ward placement on the map memorized with rationales behind why i choose this topside aggressive schema of 3free + 1/2 vision wards versus the other schema for defense on bot side.. i'm way into support .. most underrated role.

BUT ALL OF THAT IS COMPLETELY WASTED IF MY IDIOT TEAM DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE MAP, LET ALONE KNOW HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF VISION

Fuck.

[Hasbinbad]

i'm a good lasthitters wet dream

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Kope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dunno if any if this will help you, you'll actually get worse for doing it at the beginning but in the long run it'll help you and you'll see the mistakes you've been making before you make them.

The only thing that you said .. that i still do .. unfailingly .. like a fucking derp .. is facecheck bushes. lol. My support game is advanced at the very least. I keep up with any team as sona or taric. And I say that coz i play with a plat dude in ranked sometimes, so we end up fighting silver/gold teams.

[Hasbinbad]

oh and alistar.. alistar is actually my favorite support, but requires that your adc expects the knockbacks

[mreynert]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this very exactly describes my situation, although i am almost now able to consistently carry even a bad team with ap yi, as long as i am not shut down immediately, and sometimes even then

When you say you're carrying a bad team with Yi, are you getting a good kdr and wiping out a fair number of them over time in an engagement during which they take out 2 towers and an inhib before you can stop them? That's the problem I find with AP Yi, he takes too LONG to do it by himself, not that he can't. By the time you're done your base is dead.

You can have a 25/0/12 KDR but if you take 5-6 minutes to get the kills and they take the base down due to only you being alive, it still won't save ya =P

I've had tons of games like that and they were extremely frustrating, I was literally 25/3/4 or so in some of them. The other team just took too long to whittle alone.

Started playing more aggressive characters after that.

[Samoht]

things people in bronze say:

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BUT ALL OF THAT IS COMPLETELY WASTED IF MY IDIOT TEAM DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT THE MAP, LET ALONE KNOW HOW TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF VISION

in reality, if you want to break out of bronze, stop playing selfish roles (AP yi is about as selfish as it comes) and master the role that nobody else wants to play (tanky initiator). you can do this with support or jungle picks like thresh, leona, taric, j4, xin zhao, maokai, zac, and vi. my favourites are actually shyvana and skarner, but they've been underperformers in S3. blitz, amumu, malphite are worth mentioning, but always banned in bronze. udyr and rammus have been making a come back due to power creep. olaf should be viable again, soon.

i have a positive w/l ratio in all of my games where i play the tanky initiator (k/d ratio is meaningless in any context). i lose most of the games where i'm not the tank, though, not because i'm bad at other roles, but because nobody else wants to do it. and then my team yells at me for doing it. gg graves tank. gg indeed. (i love playing ahri as a tank, though. armguard, chalice, stack HP and win.)

this is a team game. quit making selfish decisions (AP yi) to get kills over wins.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh and alistar.. alistar is actually my favorite support, but requires that your adc expects the knockbacks

alistar doesn't actually have a position any more. he's a lackluster support with less than reliable CC. his jungle time has been buffed and nerfed several times, but it's abysmal in S3. leona does everything alistar can do, but better. also: leona auto, Q, right click combo gives three attacks that can clear wards before you lose the initial vision on them.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by mreynert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you say you're carrying a bad team with Yi, are you getting a good kdr and wiping out a fair number of them over time in an engagement during which they take out 2 towers and an inhib before you can stop them? That's the problem I find with AP Yi, he takes too LONG to do it by himself, not that he can't. By the time you're done your base is dead.

You can have a 25/0/12 KDR but if you take 5-6 minutes to get the kills and they take the base down due to only you being alive, it still won't save ya =P

I've had tons of games like that and they were extremely frustrating, I was literally 25/3/4 or so in some of them. The other team just took too long to whittle alone.

Started playing more aggressive characters after that.

nashors passive helps a lot with ap yi sustained damage application

[Malphite]

Play graves, shove your opponent adc into the tower so they can't cs. Frequent harass with aa's and Q's. Never use your E unless you see the gank coming. Level 6 = snowball from hell.

[Hasbinbad]

my ap yi build is somewhat radical:
tear > catalyst > cdr boot > sheen > rod > lichbane > staff > deathcap > nashors
if i am either not doing well or conversely doing very well (off target either way), I get the codex to build nashors early.

early game this build suffers from low damage alphas, but he can sustain them and do them much more often, which is better for a more conservative yet high pressure approach

late game ends up being 800ish ap applying 150ish magic damage to each hit, and the first hit after each cast is +600 magic damage as well. if you don't have mr, and you're not a TANK, i 2-5 shot you 1v1, but most of the time i wait for one person to be low, calling for focus, and then dart in to alpha kill that low person and then work off the resets.. not many can survive 2 800ap alphas, but if u do i hit you for 100ish attack damage + 750 magic damage, and that is usually enough for a third reset .. we're talking quadra and penta here, but i have a harder time pulling that off in ranked than normals

This version of AP yi is getting a buff in the upcoming overhaul, not a nerf. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]