Bumamgar

[Skope]

Just to clarify, i was there staring at the clock (my own clock) when Ektar called the initial roll call, i didn't timestamp it because IB was doing the call and not us. It took about 30+ seconds before the first WI member even realized what was going on and Soulquin i believe was the first to respond with a "present." After a bit the rest of WI began to catch on and responded accordingly, unfortunately it was after the 1 minute mark.

At first I couldn't believe that IB didn't hold them to the rule and actually had to scroll up to see what happened, and frankly I still don't understand it. Why in the world would you call a 30 minute timer on a guild that's failed a roll call?

Regardless, Bumamgar, you should know these rules like the back of your hand if you're looking to start raiding here. "I wasn't aware" isn't a valid excuse.

[Loke]

To my knowledge GMs agreed to uphold player rules. If a guild does not want to abide by the player rules, then other players should not have to abide by the player rules when dealing with that guild.

Either WI should abide by the roll call rule OR IB should not be required to recognize WI's claim as that too is a player rule. Can't have it both ways.

[Bumamgar]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just to clarify, i was there staring at the clock (my own clock) when Ektar called the initial roll call, i didn't timestamp it because IB was doing the call and not us. It took about 30+ seconds before the first WI member even realized what was going on and Soulquin i believe was the first to respond with a "present." After a bit the rest of WI began to catch on and responded accordingly, unfortunately it was after the 1 minute mark.

At first I couldn't believe that IB didn't hold them to the rule and actually had to scroll up to see what happened, and frankly I still don't understand it. Why in the world would you call a 30 minute timer on a guild that's failed a roll call?

Regardless, Bumamgar, you should know these rules like the back of your hand if you're looking to start raiding here. "I wasn't aware" isn't a valid excuse.

Skope, you've had it in for me from the get go, so I don't really care what you think I "should know". No one sent me a link to the player rules when I declared I was forming WI, when I declared we were a raiding guild, or when I've commented elsewhere about raid rules on this server. It is my obligation to know and abide by the server rules as mandated by the GMs and I have fulfilled that obligation. If players want to setup their own rule systems, that's great, but you cannot assume new players will automatically know those rules, and as such, it becomes YOUR obligation to inform new players, otherwise there is no reason to expect them to abide by anything beyond the server rules.

By your own admission, WI had no clue what the fuck a "roll call" was since there is no mention of such things in the Raid System Rules posted by Nilbog. Those are the only rules I was aware of or had read.

http://project1999.org/forums/showth...ver+raid+rules

I am now aware of another set of rules. I will read them. I will decide if they are agreeable to me and my guild, and will act accordingly.

IB honored the server rules and I have no beef with them. By the player rules they could have chosen to steamroll us, but chose not to hold us to the player rules since it was clear we were unaware of them. I appreciate that considerably.