Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's been stated, many times actually, that nobody thought people were crazy enough to sit there for 5 days to claim a single spawn. You need only look back in this thread or roll back thru the other threads to see for yourself.

Not really sure who you are directing this towards.. neither me, nor g13 (last two posters) said that we thought anyone didn't. I simply just think it's silly that people make it sound like AFK camping a mob means that our lives are consumed by this game - when in fact, becaue of AFK camping, I probably actually actively play the game less than 1/2 the people in this thread.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really sure who you are directing this towards.. neither me, nor g13 (last two posters) said that we thought anyone didn't. I simply just think it's silly that people make it sound like AFK camping a mob means that our lives are consumed by this game - when in fact, becaue of AFK camping, I probably actually actively play the game less than 1/2 the people in this thread.

And yet still get first dibs on a spawn...

How do you not see the inherent problem with that? You're being rewarded for doing absolutely nothing at all for 5 days until a single mob pops and then you get to loot the body.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And yet still get first dibs on a spawn...

How do you not see the inherent problem with that? You're being rewarded for doing absolutely nothing at all for 5 days until a single mob pops and then you get to loot the body.

It is "absolutely nothing at all", and yet, you are still unwilling to do it. We are, and thus, we get mobs.

How do you not see the problem with forcing a rotation or the rules how you like them down everyone else's throats? Just because you don't like the way things are doesn't mean that they are wrong. Pretty sure these rules were made in agreement by the top guilds on the server (including yours).

[Skope]

Under the presumption that this would never occur, and your guild's only policy since its establishment (since DA formed from FB after kicking Salty) was to see this poopsocking through.

Let's be honest, you're not breaking rules, but you're certainly not following them the way they were meant to be followed. You're essentially using this single loophole in the rule to your advantage and have been doing so for months now. you get no sympathy from anyone, especially considering there is a heavy majority who disagrees with it. So this argument that it's only a few people who want them changed is bogus, it's the other way around: only a few people want them to stay.

No one is asking for a forced rotation, just look at my previous posts and you'll see i never ever mentioned that. I'm actually asking for people to come to the table and propose something other than "well **** it, works for us let's keep it the way it is."

[Hogwash]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is "absolutely nothing at all", and yet, you are still unwilling to do it. We are, and thus, we get mobs.

How do you not see the problem with forcing a rotation or the rules how you like them down everyone else's throats? Just because you don't like the way things are doesn't mean that they are wrong. Pretty sure these rules were made in agreement by the top guilds on the server (including yours).

You are delusional if you believe the garbage you are spewing, and this is exactly why we are in the mess we are in, certain parties not willing to compromise, or even admit that the current rule set is being abused..

[G13]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Under the presumption that this would never occur, and your guild's only policy since its establishment (since DA formed from FB after kicking Salty) was to see this poopsocking through.

Let's be honest, you're not breaking rules, but you're certainly not following them the way they were meant to be followed. You're essentially using this single loophole in the rule to your advantage and have been doing so for months now. you get no sympathy from anyone, especially considering there is a heavy majority who disagrees with it. So this argument that it's only a few people who want them changed is bogus, it's the other way around: only a few people want them to stay.

No one is asking for a forced rotation, just look at my previous posts and you'll see i never ever mentioned that. I'm actually asking for people to come to the table and propose something other than "well **** it, works for us let's keep it the way it is."

What do you mean "under the presumption that it wouldn't occur"?

You're talking about MMO gaming here. EQ raiding. You can't have it both ways. DA, IB, and now WI are merely mobilizing for their preferred targets before the mob spawns. The raid rules dictate first 15 in zone. So now to please you and every other scrub who wants mobs handed to them on a silver platter, said guilds are not allowed to mobilize early for their spawns. That's ridiculous.

There was no specific way the rules were meant to be followed. They are written, cut and dry, and people have been using tactics and stats to make sure they get their mobs and their loots. It's not those guild's fault you choose to do nothing but come to forums to bitch and complain instead of focusing that energy into applying pressure to said guilds in game is it?

Originally Posted by Hogwash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are delusional if you believe the garbage you are spewing, and this is exactly why we are in the mess we are in, certain parties not willing to compromise, or even admit that the current rule set is being abused..

Garbage. Why don't you get off your lazy ass and apply some pressure on the guilds killing the mobs. It doesn't require you to camp a damn thing. All it requires is a druid to track and for 15 of you scrubs to answer a batphone and port to a zone. Try it sometime. You'd be amazed at what can happen if camping mobs is such "abuse" and you refuse to do it. You people are making your guilds look like a bunch of whiners.

[Hogwash]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Garbage. Why don't you get off your lazy ass and apply some pressure on the guilds killing the mobs. It doesn't require you to camp a damn thing. All it requires is a druid to track and for 15 of you scrubs to answer a batphone and port to a zone. Try it sometime. You'd be amazed at what can happen if camping mobs is such "abuse" and you refuse to do it. You people are making your guilds look like a bunch of whiners.

wow look at you talking about shit YOU have no idea about. surprise surprise.

[azeth]

@ G13, im not part of the raiding scene yet and clearly am not claiming to be, but just wondering - are you comfortable/okay with the current system (poopsocking/camping/whatever you want to call it)? Or are you just accepting it more than these other folks with ideas to change it?

[Skope]

Here's yet another reason it doesn't work, and this just happened 20 minutes ago:

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http://i30.tinypic.com/29kthdx.jpg

The rules were disobeyed either by both sides, or by at least one. Whether it was a premature call or a late call that was excused, it still went down fishy.

Ektar roll calls, WI responds, seemingly too late and are still granted a 30 minute timer.

Or, Ektar roll calls, WI responds but Ektar doesn't timestamp or claims they didn't respond in time but actually did.

[Messianic]

Does anyone think Kunark will alleviate current end-game problems? Honest question, as i'm not embroiled in all this drama...