Critical Suggestions for Raid Rules

[Sydarm]

Your purported knowledge of what is best for my guild or ib has no authenticity as you are a member of neither.

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[Skope]

that's an issue you have to take up with 2 of your guildies who disagree with you.

[Aeolwind]

Observe one point I'd like to make: On average, how many raid targets are each guild getting each week?

[XDrake]

I say make Nagafen's Lair and Permafrost PVP zones. FIGHT FOR IT! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Sydarm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it is so easy to just afk your toon in a zone may I ask why you don't simply do it? This is the system that is in place guys.

I'll let supreme take this one.

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some of us are simply in agreement that it is lame and sad that there is so much greediness that nothing else is acceptable but poopsocking.There is enough of us..we simply do not believe poopsocking is in the spirit of Everquest Raiding.

It is not hard to sit AFK around the clock waiting for a text message. I don't because it is fucking stupid.

None of this matters because you are just trying to draw attention from the blatant truth. You can't handle legitimate competition. If you weren't afraid of a better, faster, and more organized guild taking targets from under your nose, you wouldn't have people sitting AFK for days to guarantee first shot.

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's an issue you have to take up with 2 of your guildies who disagree with you.

Sydarm's point is, "How does this benefit me?"

As a guild member, his position beats the hell out of mine; he's thinking in his guild's best interests. IB and DA get boss kills through this system, and from a guild standpoint, I don't see anything new on the table that will benefit IB or DA to prompt a system of change.

I myself might love the hell out of a FFA race war. Will I support it if my guild doesn't, or if the conditions aren't to our mutual benefit? Neeewp.

And what is "the spirit of EverQuest raiding," by the way? We all come from different servers, and each server held its own method of apportioning mobs. Some of you folks are from FFA servers, some of you are from highly political servers.

In short, how do you propose to merge these conflicting viewpoints into something we *ALL* can deal with? And seeing as that's highly idealistic, how do you propose these viewpoints into a system *some* of us can put up with?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sydarm's point is, "How does this benefit me?"

As a guild member, his position beats the hell out of mine; he's thinking in his guild's best interests. IB and DA get boss kills through this system, and from a guild standpoint, I don't see anything new on the table that will benefit IB or DA to prompt a system of change.

I myself might love the hell out of a FFA race war. Will I support it if my guild doesn't, or if the conditions aren't to our mutual benefit? Neeewp.

But the point is you understand there's a serious flaw in the system and then, hypothetically, would still be voting no in an attempt to kill more dragons/gods with complete disregard for the "right" answer because someone above you tells you to. That's not only unreasonable, but self-degrading.

EDIT: along with a lack of faith in your guild for actual raiding tactics and the acknowledgment that the only way you'll continue to be successful is through poopsocking.

[girth]

So I guess keeping a force of 15+ in a zone for days doesn't constitute as time invested? Time we could be using to play our characters and get rich/have high-level fun, but instead we sacrifice this time in order to get chances at the best loot in the game. No, its not fun, but its what we must do to get what we desire most.

You people either have less desire or less ability or both, so don't go blaming others that you cannot get anything done currently, cause I know damn well basically nobody is trying.

rotation < poopsocking < first to engage

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Sydarm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Ok for all the people that keep saying "If you want to kill dragons everyday without having to invest any time or effort or "You dont want to put in the effort to camp dragons/gods you want things handed to you" please exit the thread." --okay now that I know you are addressing me in particular

Equal distribution to each and every guild that holds up their hand asking for dragon loot when they are all of exceedingly unequal makeup and desire cannot be considered a legitimate system of fairness.

If you want a casual game where you can just waltz on over to a raidzone with a couple friends, kill everything, and obtain the best loot in the game...I would suggest YOU go somewhere else.

Here let me add this gem then. Any system i propose will not include Transcendence as part of that rotation. To put it bluntly even a rotation system is not something we are interested in right now. We are content farming planes for armor (or trash).

But....

Bringing together everyone and allowing myself to be a unbiased arbitrator for a balanced rotation system that appeals to the "camping,FTE,rotation and racing" player base is something i feel will bring the raiding to a enjoyable standard.

And lets be honest here. Who in the current raid scene is really "unbalanced"? Because IB was the FIRST to kill Dragons/Gods that gives them the privledge of making rules only for themselves? Or because DA no-skill poopsocks content that it somehow elevates them as superior to Divinity, WI or Remedy?

Please do not be so naive.

I am even pretty sure that my "rag-tag" bunch of Transcendence could take down every bit of the content that is on p1999.

So please do not come here to be elitist. Offer your suggestions for Raid Rules or take the stairs.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Aeolwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Observe one point I'd like to make: On average, how many raid targets are each guild getting each week?

I can say that right now..it will be 1. DA/IB/WI/Divinity are all currently perma camping Vox/Inny/Nagafen/CT. You can bet that as soon as a dragon/god dies that guild will not leave to go try and get in on Vox...they will stay right there and keep camping the boss until a guild offers to swap.