Soulfire

[SamwiseRed]

Originally Posted by ozguy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EQ is a broken ancient game and trivialised by complete heal, clickies and a myriad of other abuse of mechanics? REALLY? And this is something we didn't already know 10 years ago?

1) I predict velious content will be cleared within 24 hours of release, Soulfires or not. There's enough Donal's BPs floating around to make a fast Donals CH Chain viable. Add to this all the years of farming VP gear and a well oiled, ready to go raid force you're looking at velious being beaten very quickly. Guilds who started from nothing day 1 at level 1 fresh server on Velious release managed get right up there in top 10 Vulak kills without the advantage of years of solid VP farming. Even the well established guilds on the older servers had less VP farming under their belt than TMO does at this point.

2) The game has many mechanics that could be considered broken or easily abused by today's MMO standards. This game was beaten over and over years ago. P99 gives us a chance to freeze in time and push those broken mechanics to the limit (eg "The A-Team" )

3) Love it or hate it, the broken mechanics are part of what draws people to the classic experience. You can't have the full classic experience by picking and choosing what this "Tiggles" guy thinks is 'classic' or not. P99 devs are doing a great job of recreating the classic game based on the actual mechanics and hard techincal facts, not some persons arbitrary thoughts about how they think they remember the meta-game should have played out like. Who are you to define what classic is??


Look how much silly stuff goes on at a typical sky raid with 'corpse summoning' people to higher islands, corpsing keys, pulling mobs to different islands, charming mobs. Most of this was never how SOE intended it but they were too lazy to fix because it was probably considered not enough of an abuse/exploit to worry about especially since the next 1-2 expansions were the priority for their efforts. Yet P99 faithfully have reproduced the 'classic' sky experience by following SOEs good and bad decisions that have resulted in what we consider as classic.

Complete heal (CH) is another example. SOE back in the day realised that CH was over-abused but it was so much part of the raiding culture that nerfing it directly in one hit would be a disaster. Eventually they just mudflated their way out of the dilemma by capping it to 7500 (when 7500 hp was more than most people could get) then letting the mudflating take peoples HP way beyond that, gradually phasing out the importance of that one spell over the next few years.

Let's face it, "raid content" was easy in Everquest with little strategy involved - Auto-attack on, begin CH chain. Most "strategy" is actually an unintended abuse of mechanics be it CH chains, line of sight exploits, mob positioning, chain runes to stop lifetap, multiboxing, kiting etc etc.

Hand wavy ideas such as "killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not" have no basis and there is no proof that your claim has any truth to it. As time goes on of course people will find out better and more efficient ways to break the already broken game mechanics even further.

good post, would read again.

[t0lkien]

Does anyone honestly think Tiggles/whoever are genuinely concerned about balance? They are crying because they were beaten to a raid mob by a clever and determined guild who out "exploited" them with tools that essentially tip the balance of things away from TMO. This post, and others like it, have nothing to do with the health of the game, classic authenticity, fairness, or balance. You're trying to reason with unreasonable people who are motivated purely by self interest.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

good post, would read again.

Hard technical facts is the most bullshit I've heard in years lol...

Original EMU devs that left the main project years ago knew what they where doing. And froze in time with a half way decent server hack that worked with the client they had.

To bad this is all thats left and its in the hands of butchers.

[Flamewraith]

Originally Posted by t0lkien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does anyone honestly think Tiggles/whoever are genuinely concerned about balance? They are crying because they were beaten to a raid mob by a clever and determined guild who out "exploited" them with tools that essentially tip the balance of things away from TMO. This post, and others like it, have nothing to do with the health of the game, classic authenticity, fairness, or balance. You're trying to reason with unreasonable people who are motivated purely by self interest.

[stavio]

+1 for the "little guys"

[apio]

itt: TMO faggots whining about losing trak to 19 FE

HAHAHA
PS: Tiggles, calmdown !!! Maybe time to RMT some more monks ?

pathetic haha

ps: had to resend my forum password so i could laugh at your faggot ass.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

itt: TMO faggots whining about losing trak to 19 FE

HAHAHA
PS: Tiggles, calmdown !!! Maybe time to RMT some more monks ?

pathetic haha

ps: had to resend my forum password so i could laugh at your faggot ass.

...... pathetic haha

[apio]

still laughing..

better troll next time
PS: Im logging back off now, dont need to stay logged in to laugh at the faggot defending the other faggot. Also nothing i could do would be more pathetic than making a 500 word whine post on the BUG forums to get something nerfed because you lost ONE trak

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by ozguy

The game has many mechanics that could be considered broken or easily abused by today's MMO standards. This game was beaten over and over years ago. P99 gives us a chance to freeze in time and push those broken mechanics to the limit (eg "The A-Team" )

Hehehehehehe.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Currently Soulfire is being used to trivialize content in the same vein as Ivandyrs hoop. 5 charges of complete heal is allowing groups of 10 players to Kill Trakanon much less then what was require the kill him using Ivandyrs Hoops.

Soulfires give more charges of a better spell and is easily re-quested for recharges.

This current trend of soulfiring down mobs is growing and some guilds are making it a requirement to have one at all times.

While Soulfires are classic, killing raid content with such low numbers using easily rechargeable clickies is not.

If left unnerfed all velious content will be cleared with in 24 hours of release minus keyed zones.

Included is a link to Rogeans post talking about the Ivandyrs hoop Nerf and how it interferes with the raid scene.




Thank you

How the fuck is 21-24 people for trakanon (a 32k hp mob) low numbers?

I'd love to see the logs of how many soulfire charges were used, I'd be surprised if it was higher than 2 total. Be real man, why are you mad that a guild is able to kill dragons with the proper number of raiders?