About Spawn variance....

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Valent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What if I said my old guild beat LoS in content. Would you value my opinion?

Not on my watch you didn't.

[Otto]

How could you ever outlaw camping? That's absurdly difficult to manage. Characters logged out in the zone the raid target spawns in... banning people from zones like sol b, perma, and even the planes for farming other gear... It's not something you can watch and manage.

The only option is to camp, make a rotation, or have every single person on the server agree to overthrow the FTE or FFA ban by the GMs and be grownup about it.

Call it defeatism, pessimism, whatever you want... I'd prefer you prove me wrong.

[Valent]

Originally Posted by Supreme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not on my watch you didn't.

You sure? Was your only raid AoW?

[Evorix]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How could you ever outlaw camping? That's absurdly difficult to manage. Characters logged out in the zone the raid target spawns in... banning people from zones like sol b, perma, and even the planes for farming other gear... It's not something you can watch and manage.

The only option is to camp, make a rotation, or have every single person on the server agree to overthrow the FTE or FFA ban by the GMs and be grownup about it.

Call it defeatism, pessimism, whatever you want... I'd prefer you prove me wrong.

I agree with this. Even if you add an FFA or FTE rule there will still be camping. All the camping will take place right outside the boss that is due spawn point with a monk rdy to throw the first shuriken. Once a boss spawns, 2+ guilds will try to engage and will end in a cluster fuck every time. There is simply not enough content for FFA in my opinion. More than one guild will be camping every mob ready to engage.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How could you ever outlaw camping? That's absurdly difficult to manage. Characters logged out in the zone the raid target spawns in... banning people from zones like sol b, perma, and even the planes for farming other gear... It's not something you can watch and manage.

The only option is to camp, make a rotation, or have every single person on the server agree to overthrow the FTE or FFA ban by the GMs and be grownup about it.

Call it defeatism, pessimism, whatever you want... I'd prefer you prove me wrong.

You are right..it is either camp or make rotation. That are the two root choices.

Right now the server is choosing to camp. Once there are enough guilds to perma camp EVERY raid mob that is when a rotation will need to be in place.

[Supreme]

Originally Posted by Valent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You sure? Was your only raid AoW?

What are you trying to say? You beat LoS to AoWar?

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How could you ever outlaw camping? That's absurdly difficult to manage. Characters logged out in the zone the raid target spawns in... banning people from zones like sol b, perma, and even the planes for farming other gear... It's not something you can watch and manage.

The only option is to camp, make a rotation, or have every single person on the server agree to overthrow the FTE or FFA ban by the GMs and be grownup about it.

Call it defeatism, pessimism, whatever you want... I'd prefer you prove me wrong.

Not outlaw camping. Outlaw raid boss camping.

At the minimum the toons aren't logged in, right? That gives everyone a relatively equal shot at coordinating and getting into the zone.

It wouldn't take every single person on the server to agree to overthrow anything, either. If meetings took place and the majority ruled, that's the way it is.

People are forgetting they said it's up to us to establish the rules.

[Valent]

No one beat LoS to AoW, so I assume that was the only raid you were on. Since no one beat you on your watch.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Evorix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with this. Even if you add an FFA or FTE rule there will still be camping. All the camping will take place right outside the boss that is due spawn point with a monk rdy to throw the first shuriken. Once a boss spawns, 2+ guilds will try to engage and will end in a cluster fuck every time. There is simply not enough content for FFA in my opinion. More than one guild will be camping every mob ready to engage.

This has been discussed and a proposal was a pseudo-rotation system where a guild is still forced to track and engage a mob within a certain allotted period of time before the next guild gets a shot. This way you'd still have to put in actual effort to get the mob you want. This doesn't even have to include PoSky, which will inevitably become a cluster****.

[Evorix]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not outlaw camping. Outlaw raid boss camping.

At the minimum the toons aren't logged in, right? That gives everyone a relatively equal shot at coordinating and getting into the zone.

It wouldn't take every single person on the server to agree to overthrow anything, either. If meetings took place and the majority ruled, that's the way it is.

People are forgetting they said it's up to us to establish the rules.

So you are proposing that everyone should camp their tune out in the zone except a tracker, when a boss spawns every rush and try to log them in first? That is about the most retarded proposal ever...

If you outlaw camping in boss zones everyone will just camp outside the zone ready to zone in...

What if someone is clearing a zone and the boss spawns?

... the only thing that will work with the current amount of content is camping or rotations