Zimmerman NOT Guilty

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

17 year olds can legally sign up for the military. are you saying that we employ child soldiers in america?

you're clearly trying to slant this for some reason or another.

facts only please and leave your misleading buzzwords at home.

As chance would have it, I joined the United States Marine Corps when I was 17. My mother had to sign a waiver permitting me to join. I was definitely a kid. I had sparse beard growth and very little body hair. Technically, at 17, Trayvon Martin and I were both adolescents. Are you more comfortable with that term? How about teen, teenager, youth, juvenile, minor? We have a legal age of majority in this country. That age is 18. Trayvon Martin could not own property, drive a car, join the military, or get married without his parents' consent. He was a kid.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Bodeanicus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That a Congress full of old white men have done everything in their power to obstruct in every way possible.

Because that's what Congress always has done. That's what they always will do. Doesn't matter the race/sex of the potus.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

quick, paste a 5 year old picture of trayvon in order to garner more sympathy

I am not generally swayed by propaganda. I thought this was poignant, however:

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[Alawen]

Sorry; pertinent, not poignant.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As chance would have it, I joined the United States Marine Corps when I was 17. My mother had to sign a waiver permitting me to join. I was definitely a kid. I had sparse beard growth and very little body hair. Technically, at 17, Trayvon Martin and I were both adolescents. Are you more comfortable with that term? How about teen, teenager, youth, juvenile, minor?

young-adult is the only word acceptable due to the fact that you want to use words that have more of a child-like meaning than adult-like meaning.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We have a legal age of majority in this country. That age is 18. Trayvon Martin could not own property, drive a car, join the military, or get married without his parents' consent. He was a kid.

"legal age" is clearly undefined and used loosely again for whatever purpose you're wanting it used for. 18 is not the legal age for consent (17 in most states). 17 for enlisting (previously discussed). 16 for driving in (in most states - some 15 - i don't care whether or not they have special requirements, you can still legally drive at 15 in some states). 21 is the legal age to drink (decided on a state level, not national level. all states currently 21. some are considering lowering the age).

so what do you get at 18? smoking or voting? both seem irrelevant to this case.

[Alawen]

I don't know where you're coming up with your definition of young adult, but it is not the scientific usage of the word. Young adults are people in adulthood before middle adulthood. Maybe Mama told you that you were a big boy now at 14, but you were not a young adult.

You seem unaware that minors cannot own property, including automobiles. Minors can only drive vehicles with consent from the owner of that vehicle. I will repeat myself: Trayvon Martin could not own property, drive a car, join the military, or get married without his parents' consent. Perhaps being able to own property and sign contracts are not significant to you? Your interests in the world seem focused on vices.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Kagatob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Essentially the gist of your post.

And yes. If you've ever entertained an opposing viewpoint or read a book about race relations in the United States, you'd be well-aware of a concept known as "PASSING" and how it fundamentally molds the way we views others.

[Alawen]

(On a tangent, I was curious about legal age of consent in the U.S. 30 [29 + DC] states at 16, 9 at 17 and 12 at 18.)

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe Mama told you that you were a big boy now at 14, but you were not a young adult.

since when are 14 and 17 the same thing? maybe momma didn't teach you how to count, so you keep bringing up irrelevant numbers as some kind of magical factoid that fits your agenda.

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem unaware that minors cannot own property, including automobiles. Minors can only drive vehicles with consent from the owner of that vehicle. I will repeat myself: Trayvon Martin could not own property, drive a car, join the military, or get married without his parents' consent. Perhaps being able to own property and sign contracts are not significant to you? Your interests in the world seem focused on vices.

i shouldn't have to bring this up, but trayvon martin also would not be able to own property, drive a car, join the military, or get married without his own consent.

he'd be allowed to make those decisions on his own. because he was 17. the special circumstances have no bearing on whether or not the state would allow him to if they were fulfilled and he wanted to do them.

[Alawen]

Wait, what? 17 is the new 18 but I'm the one with counting issues? Do try to make at least a little bit of sense. I realize that 17 is right next to 18, but it's still not 18. Almost! But not quite. Try again.

You seem to be disputing what rights available to legal adults. You're just flat wrong.