These mobs are camped!

[azeth]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't about respect, or taking someone's camp. If you are on say, seafury isle, killing about 4 of them before the ones you killed, you can't really claim all of the seafuries, can you? You share, and if you arrive after that player, you don't be a wanker and kill so it cuts into what they were killing. If you were there previously, you should expect them to not cut into your kills.

The ones who claim all mobs in an area, even when they aren't killing them all in one cycle, and scream respect, are the same ones who would ffa centaurs or aviaks. But when you're above 35 or 40, or whatever, now it is MY camp, and respect? By only killing the mobs in a cycle you aren't, that is showing respect. Not showing respect would be cutting into the 5 per 8 you kill. Bottom line is people get paranoid, want an easy camp they can afk and kill at lesiure. While that is nice, and it may hold for a room,. in a dungeon, to a degree..and even outdoors... if you kill half of the specs say in oasis, afk and they respawn while you med, you kill the same 4, repeat process, how can you justify ALL OF THEM ARE MINE pls respect.

And fyi I haven't even killed a spec mob in oasis ...yet.. lol. It is one thing to clear say the lord room in guk, let it repop, kill, etc. Or even kill the ph, let the other 2 up. In that case killing the guards wout your permission would be a lack of respect or rude, but not camp stealing really. If someone killed the lord, or it's ph, then that is theft.

It isn't maneuvering of rules, or finding a loophole even. But if someone walks up, and asks, are you killing them... be honest. And drop the greed paranoia. If you are, fine. if you always leave 2 or 3 up... don't freak out if someone asks to kill them, and THEM ONLY.

And for the record, I have yet to kill or attack an oasis spec.... or even sit there.

yet.

qft

i wish more ppl on this thread would have commentred on my Zial thread because I seriously come across like a douche bag despite being the one that was being KS'd.

[Nocte]

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't about respect, or taking someone's camp. If you are on say, seafury isle, killing about 4 of them before the ones you killed, you can't really claim all of the seafuries, can you?

Yes, you can. Don't assume that more people won't show up to group with the person already there. Maybe they are settling into a groove because buffs took some mana and they're warming up to a pace they plan on maintaining. Maybe they just had bad fucking luck (resists, etc) and they don't need you and your score card breathing down their neck, too.

The word "respect" shows up about half a dozen times in your post but I'm not convinced you know what it means unless it benefits you. If someone's there, it's camped. Ask if they're leaving soon or wait for them to wipe out, but don't expect some portion of the spawn based on your evaluation of their performance.

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And fyi I haven't even killed a spec mob in oasis ...yet.. lol.

Then what the hell is your problem with something that hasn't affected you yet? lol.

Originally Posted by h0tr0d (shaere) [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It isn't maneuvering of rules, or finding a loophole even.

Yes, it is.

[Lanvaren]

Originally Posted by Nocte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, it is.

The rules say if you can't kill it, it's not camped.

That's pretty blatantly stated, no maneuvering required.



Just thought I'd throw that out there.



Some dude killing a couple of specs and vehemently refusing to let someone else kill any specs at all is sort of a fail/lose situation IMO.

[Lanvaren]

Also, it comes down more to "courtesy" than "respect" - I.E. I'm courteous enough to avoid this stupid drama over specs, since there's really absolutely nothing about you or the rules to respect.

[Kinamur1999]

Except what makes you think that these people are going to be satisfied with their two specters? Lets say 20 minutes go by and the original camper goes afk for 2 minutes, comes back and the guy says Well you weren't killing it you can't claim it.

If people are going to throw the rulebook down, argue, and post on the forums about 2 specters why not try for 3 or 4....

[Bubbles]

Two words: Kunark Soon.

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[Straif]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two words: Kunark Soon.

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I'm equally excited about kunark!!!

I'll be fucking training KC and Seb baby.. fuck your camps!!

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Nocte [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, you can. Don't assume that more people won't show up to group with the person already there. Maybe they are settling into a groove because buffs took some mana and they're warming up to a pace they plan on maintaining. Maybe they just had bad fucking luck (resists, etc) and they don't need you and your score card breathing down their neck, too.

Originally Posted by Lanvaren

The rules say if you can't kill it, it's not camped.

That's pretty blatantly stated, no maneuvering required.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Some dude killing a couple of specs and vehemently refusing to let someone else kill any specs at all is sort of a fail/lose situation IMO.

Here we have two reasonable positions that seem to conflict but are actually referring to two completely different situations. If someone is camping only one spectre because, say, they're a cocky level 30 Bard (wink wink) and it takes them an hour to kite red mobs, they really shouldn't make any fuss about the seven mobs that they can't reasonably kill, and so I wouldn't say that the specs in that case are "camped". However, in situations where most of the mobs are killed before repops happen, no one should be breathing down their neck scrutinizing them for not being able to camp "all" the mobs. That's ridiculous - players camping mobs will be slower killing them during some spawn cycles than others. I was in a group last night in HK where sometimes we'd have no problem killing all of the mobs in the basement before repops, but at other times we'd have trouble catching up with the repops (mostly because of med breaks, but surely there are other situations that exist where groups will be slower than normal). This doesn't mean that we were unable to hold the camp - with some common sense anyone could have understood that we were just having bad luck.

TLDR: please give people the benefit of the doubt when they're able to kill a sizeable number of mobs in a certain camp, but when they're clearly unable to hold a reasonable portion of the camp, that's a different issue altogether.

[Nocte]

Originally Posted by Lanvaren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, it comes down more to "courtesy" than "respect"

This.

The you can follow the letter of the "law" and still be a total chucklefuck. Just because there's a rule that allows you to take an action without administrative reprisal doesn't absolve you of being an asshole for doing it.

[fastboy21]

there's rules and there's social unwritten rules.

the op has got the rule right. i don't think any gm is going to have problem if he witnesses you "taking" the two spawns that the other guy can't keep down.

then there are the social rules. you may be right, but that doesn't mean you are nice.

if you don't care about being good/nice to others then stop reading.

most of the time disagreements can be settled by just talking to the other person.

scenario 1:
"Pardon me, I see that you are camping specs and that there are few in the cycle you aren't getting to. Would you mind if I pulled those please?"

scenario 2:
Just jumping in and taking the specs. When asked what you are doing you say, "Dude, you aren't even able to kill them all, so wtf do you care what I do?"

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