A Bard's Tale

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Calibix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In regards to the whole swarm vs lvl in dungeon issue, I'd rather low hp kite with someone any day of the week. I also much prefer to duo/trio for the reason I'm about to elaborate on(and the fact full group xp is terrible). The problem with grouping is most people think they are good, when in fact they aren't. The more people you add to this group, the more likely you get one of those people (you know, like monks who agro an entire room and run it back without FD and call that pulling, tanks that can't hold agro, healers that start CH when your at 20%, the list is near endless).

So when I group, unless its that rare really nice group, I inevitably feel like I need to pick up the slack, which usually results in my death and no one else's trying to save the day. For example, the last Seb group I was in we were at chef camp. We had no tank, and the monk can't hold agro, so I'm tanking. I'm also the only CC, the only snare, 1 of 2 people trying to interrupt casts, and the only mana regen, which I never get a chance to use effectively since I'm also pulling because we have one of those winner monks (at least he asked for lull on chef room before I just said f it I'll pull too). Why I would subject myself to that when I could just get someone I know and trust to play well for significantly higher returns idk.

As a bard you have the power to make these groups awesome. You have to work hard, often harder than most others in the group, but that's just part of being a bard. Being in a group with a cleric and four melees will happen to you and you do have to do everything.

I remember being in one group like this where I was doing the pulling/haste/cc/snare/slow/mana etc and somebody was still bitching that I wasn't chain pulling with charm. Picking up the slack is bard's job but you can manage all these roles with a bit of creative thinking - I find if somebody isn't doing something asking them to politely and saying why usually works. An example I often find myself using is asking people to root mobs so I can be out chain pulling without worrying the group will wipe if they don't get the mob down before snare wears off.

I feel a bit sorry for monks - there are so many casters in seb which must make FD pulling a nightmare. However bard's are so effective at pulling in Seb there's no way anyone else should be pulling over you in a group, no matter the set up.

If anything getting into a duo/trio with an enchanter or shammy is a lot of fun - I've duo'd/trio'd a lot of the camps in seb and its good to get out of the traditional group scenario as well.

The problem I have with low hp kiting is while its a creative way to level, once mastered it makes things trivial. Its why I only kited on and off up until level 40, and even then it was usually when I couldn't get a group. Once I went to Sol B and realised I could make such a big difference to groups that was the end of my kiting days, other than a few low hp kite - which was mostly just to prove I could do it.

These are things I've found in my 60 levels as a bard in any case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a bard you have the power to make these groups awesome. You have to work hard, often harder than most others in the group, but that's just part of being a bard. Being in a group with a cleric and four melees will happen to you and you do have to do everything.

I remember being in one group like this where I was doing the pulling/haste/cc/snare/slow/mana etc and somebody was still bitching that I wasn't chain pulling with charm. Picking up the slack is bard's job but you can manage all these roles with a bit of creative thinking - I find if somebody isn't doing something asking them to politely and saying why usually works. An example I often find myself using is asking people to root mobs so I can be out chain pulling without worrying the group will wipe if they don't get the mob down before snare wears off.

I feel a bit sorry for monks - there are so many casters in seb which must make FD pulling a nightmare. However bard's are so effective at pulling in Seb there's no way anyone else should be pulling over you in a group, no matter the set up.

If anything getting into a duo/trio with an enchanter or shammy is a lot of fun - I've duo'd/trio'd a lot of the camps in seb and its good to get out of the traditional group scenario as well.

The problem I have with low hp kiting is while its a creative way to level, once mastered it makes things trivial. Its why I only kited on and off up until level 40, and even then it was usually when I couldn't get a group. Once I went to Sol B and realised I could make such a big difference to groups that was the end of my kiting days, other than a few low hp kite - which was mostly just to prove I could do it.

These are things I've found in my 60 levels as a bard in any case [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point, which I think you kind of got, is that you have to work significantly harder than everyone else in that case. Or I could low hp kite with much less effort, much less risk, and much greater reward. Don't get me wrong, a good bard can carry a group so hard, more so than any other class in my opinion. But I also feel that everyone should carry their weight. If I'm doing that much work, I'd rather it be contributed to people who deserve it.

Don't get me wrong, I group a lot still, as I've only really been kiting with one person lately (Bob /wave!). I'm just to the point where I'd rather camp something solo than go through the headache of PuGs unless its an invite from a friend.

[Wudan]

I find it amazing that nobody cares about the fact he uses IP exemption to box the toon he is PLing.....wtf!

[Dalven]

Originally Posted by Calibix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My point, which I think you kind of got, is that you have to work significantly harder than everyone else in that case. Or I could low hp kite with much less effort, much less risk, and much greater reward. Don't get me wrong, a good bard can carry a group so hard, more so than any other class in my opinion. But I also feel that everyone should carry their weight. If I'm doing that much work, I'd rather it be contributed to people who deserve it.

Don't get me wrong, I group a lot still, as I've only really been kiting with one person lately (Bob /wave!). I'm just to the point where I'd rather camp something solo than go through the headache of PuGs unless its an invite from a friend.

Yeah thats a fair point but not something I worry about. Some classes just aren't gonna be as hard work even when played to the limits of the class. Nobody said EQ was fair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Dalven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah thats a fair point but not something I worry about. Some classes just aren't gonna be as hard work even when played to the limits of the class. Nobody said EQ was fair [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very true. I guess I don't have the patience I used to lol.

[Fael]

I have no respect for players who whine like babies about bard kiting. There are plenty of places that offer better experience and loot than DL, OT, and BW. Learn 2 play, or try something new. And this is coming from a bard who leveled almost entirely in groups.

Thanks,

Dolic

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no respect for players who whine like babies about bard kiting. There are plenty of places that offer better experience and loot than DL, OT, and BW. Learn 2 play, or try something new. And this is coming from a bard who leveled almost entirely in groups.

Thanks,

Dolic

It doesn't matter if another place has better exp, those open zones are also used quite a bit by any class that can kite, these players should be able to hunt wherever they want without being shit all over by greedy douchebags. But I guess in your eyes any zone that a bard can kite in should be reserved just for the bards huh?

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Gadwen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if another place has better exp, those open zones are also used quite a bit by any class that can kite, these players should be able to hunt wherever they want without being shit all over by greedy douchebags. But I guess in your eyes any zone that a bard can kite in should be reserved just for the bards huh?

I'm not suggesting that "those open zones" are not "also used by any class that can kite." I'm suggesting that said people using those zones to quad kite should learn to play the game better. There are many better places. For example, kiting snarler's and pirates along the shore in FV is much better because the mobs have much less hp than mobs in OT. Yet, no one goes there.

Notwithstanding this fact, it typically is not the quad kiters who are QQ. It is the full groups of 6 who think they are entitled to "hunt wherever they want." But they aren't entitled to any such thing. If a zone is full and there isn't enough mobs, then you have to go somewhere else. This server has tons and tons of under utilized zones. It is a big world out there. Smart people adapt and overcome, they find greener pastures. Lazy people stay where they are and cry about it.

Thus, I have no respect for you or the others who are too lazy to find better leveling grounds, and instead cry about fairness.

QQ

Dolic